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Dáil
‹ Ceisteanna ó Cheannairí - Leaders' Questions

Migration and housing in Kerry

Summary

Danny Healy-Rae said Government had lost control of migration and that housing shortages, planning delays and pressure on local tourism were driving young people away from Kerry. The Taoiseach pointed to housing delivery, falling Ukrainian numbers, hotels returning to tourism and faster processing of immigration decisions.

Next is Deputy McNamara. Níl sé anseo. We will proceed to Deputy Danny Healy-Rae on behalf of the Rural Independent Group.

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It is very clear to many that the Government has lost control of the migration issue. At the same time, many of our own young men and women, boys and girls, are leaving this country to go to Australia, Dubai, Canada and other places because they cannot afford to build houses or to buy them. In Kerry, they cannot even get planning permission to build houses. Many of our young farmers are deciding not to take over viable, productive farms that a lot of money, sweat and blood has been put into to ensure the continuation. These youngsters are deciding they are not prepared to take on the constant vilification, demonisation and regulation being doled out by the Government of Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil and being demanded and driven by the Green Party and others.

Our tourism industry in Killarney and Kerry in general is suffering because of the influx of migrants who are placed in so many of our hotels and guest houses. Some 36% of bed night availability is taken up by asylum seekers and refugees. Already, many small restaurants, cafés, pubs and souvenir shops have closed. I have been canvassing since 1973. I have never met so many people concerned about and raising the migration issue with me on the doorsteps. They feel the Government has lost complete control of the issue. Nobody objects to asylum seekers or refugees if they have a genuine case of distress. Who can explain how they salvaged their cats and dogs if the bombs were dropping around them or why our taxpayers are paying so much to quarantine these animals? Who can explain how they got time to bring their flashy SUVs and high-powered cars registered in Ukraine with them? How did they get time to do that? They are going home for holidays and for Christmas. However, we were told their homes were bombed and blown out of existence. Nobody objects to other people from anywhere in the world coming here to work, provided they have the proper visas and whatever they need to do that. What people here are objecting to is people being placed in hotels, being paid full social welfare and all the benefits and having a good time inside those hotels. How can the Taoiseach explain that? That is what is happening. At the same time, the Government is hurting our tourism industry in Killarney and across Kerry.

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Simon Harris The Taoiseach Fine Gael

I am not sure where to start there. On housing supply in Kerry, the Deputy was with the Minister for housing at the opening of a new housing estate in Castleisland very recently. That is one of many examples of real progress being made in respect of housing. I thank the Deputy for turning up to report that progress for his constituents in Kerry; it is important he does that.

On the importance of the hospitality sector and the question of immigrants, I have been to Kerry many times. It is a beautiful county. I have been in many of the hospitality facilities there. As a result, I know how reliant we are on migrants to staff the tourism and hospitality sectors in County Kerry. I am sure in his next comment the Deputy will acknowledge the very positive contribution of the many migrants who work in hotels, cafés, bars and souvenir shops and all the other wonderful facilities he mentioned in the Kingdom. It would be important for him to do that. I am sure he will also want to acknowledge on the record of this House that there are a number of hotels in Kerry, including the Dingle Harbour Lodge and the Hotel Killarney, that had been used to accommodate Ukrainian people but that are no longer being used to do so. I am sure the Deputy will welcome that fact as well.

What we are seeing here is a conscious effort to work with communities, recognising the importance of the tourism sector and the hospitality sector, to provide facilitates to be returned to their original use as the situation allows.

I know we face a very difficult challenge when it comes to migration. We are not alone in that. As Taoiseach, I intend to take charge of this situation and support Ministers right across the Government, particularly as this is a whole-of-government issue. It is not the responsibility of any one Department; we are reliant on all Departments looking to see what they can do to support the humanitarian situation and support people who are in need. We want to provide that support in the compassionate way that this country always wants to provide it. We also wish to make sure that there is a rules-based system, that there is common sense and that our systems are efficient and effective. Irish people are two things - they are compassionate and they are full of common sense. They want to see a migration policy that does both of those things.

In the four weeks since I became Taoiseach, we have taken action in respect of Mount Street and we will act in respect of Grand Canal Dock. I want people to know that we have listened to the concerns that Irish people - good, decent people, across this country - are raising and the questions they are asking. Ministers and I will respond. We need a much broader response to migration than just having a conversation about accommodation. If we solely have a conversation about accommodation, then, no matter how much accommodation we provide, it will be filled. We must have a conversation about migration policy in the round. I look forward to a number of proposals coming forward from Ministers and the Government in relation to this in the coming days.

We will continue to work with communities in the Deputy's county and across Ireland. We will continue to try to reduce the reliance on the private sector because we do not want to be in the business of having to rely on facilities that are badly needed in towns and villages. We want to move away from that approach. In other words, move away from the emergency model and towards a sustainable model. These are very much the proposals that the Minister, Deputy O'Gorman, got approval for in terms of his new accommodation framework at Cabinet only a few weeks ago.

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I thank the Taoiseach. Two things are very clear to me. The first is that he is after giving me a lot of waffle. The second is that he is not in touch with reality and what is happening in County Kerry and Killarney. Some 36% of our bed nights are still being taken up by refugees and asylum seekers. That is a fact. Many more of our restaurants, cafes and so forth have closed. There is a problem in that regard. We must be honest with the people paying our taxes. They are paying 44% tax and 52% tax and 4.5% USC charges on top of that. This is what is happening. The Government is hurting the people. It has lost control. We have the Minister for Justice, who is sitting beside the Taoiseach, saying that she will send migrants back to the UK. Who does the Government have to round them up? The Garda National Immigration Bureau is not properly resourced. It cannot follow up on these people. The Government must take action because it clearly has lost control in places like Killarney and County Kerry. We see what is happening here in Dublin on our televisions. We can see enough of that.

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I thank the Deputy. The time is up.

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The Government has lost control completely.

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I thank the Deputy.

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Those in government will have to come down to County Kerry to see it. I am very sure that the Government's candidates for the local elections are getting it in the neck in County Kerry because-----

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Thank you, Deputy

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-----I am being told about it and people know who is responsible for it. The Government is letting them down.

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Simon Harris The Taoiseach Fine Gael

I will indeed visit County Kerry. I regularly visit the county and I look forward to doing so again.

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The Taoiseach will be very welcome.

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Simon Harris The Taoiseach Fine Gael

Thank you so much. However, we have to acknowledge that policy changes have taken place in this country in relation to Ukraine. We have seen the numbers of Ukrainians coming here decrease dramatically. We can see this and the figures-----

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What did the Government do with their cats and dogs? I ask the Taoiseach to answer this.

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Let the Taoiseach answer, please.

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Simon Harris The Taoiseach Fine Gael

The Deputy mentioned cats, dogs and jeeps. Can we just rise to a higher level here, if the Deputy does not mind? We are dealing with a very serious situation. What people in this country want to know is that we are getting to grips with it and that we are using the various policy levers at our disposal to try to make progress. What I say to them is that when we look at the Ukrainian situation, it can be seen in the Deputy's county, for example, that two hotels that were being used to house Ukrainians are back available for tourism, hospitality and everything the Deputy talked about. This is progress.

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It is not nearly enough.

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Simon Harris The Taoiseach Fine Gael

We continue to look at a range of measures. The Deputy mentioned the Minister for Justice. I ask the Deputy to look at the actual decisions the Minister has taken around faster processing times. It is not a question of rounding people up; it is a matter providing them with clarity when they come to a country. They either have a right to be here or they do not. If they have a right to be here, we welcome and integrate them.

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With proper visas.

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Simon Harris The Taoiseach Fine Gael

If they do not have a right to be here, we make sure they leave. This is the policy of the Government.

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