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‹ Ceisteanna ó Cheannairí - Leaders' Questions

Youth antisocial behaviour

Summary

Deputy Gogarty raised rising antisocial behaviour by under-18s and asked about stronger consequences, including possible social media restrictions for younger children. The Taoiseach agreed it was a real issue, cited school-based interventions and community safety work, and said the matter needed systemic thought.

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I want to talk about something that is ongoing. It is not specific to today but it has been happening every single day and every single year since this State began, and anecdotally, it appears to be getting worse. I am talking about antisocial behaviour and, in particular, antisocial behaviour by those aged under 18. Young people are invariably good. We had a discussion a while back about the fact that only 2% of young people ever come before An Garda Síochána. However, a lot of our young people are now under threat from random violent assaults by gangs of 12- and 13-year-olds going around. I had parents come to me after a lad got a punch and his eye socket was damaged. It was just a random attack. Equally, I know of parents walking around in a park with a buggy when a gang of four youths came over, threw bricks and sticks at them and verbally abused them. If they happen to be from another country originally, racist tropes are thrown in as well, but it is abuse given to anyone. A gang of lads went into one of my local cafés, stole bottles, walked out brazenly and then came back in and threw the contents of the bottles at staff. This is happening every day. I am not talking about the stuff that requires four mountain bike gardaí from Operation Irene in an estate in my constituency, where fires are lit regularly, drug dealing takes place every day and somebody got attacked with a machete recently. That is high-level stuff that needs to be dealt with, true enough, but the lower level stuff is what puts people in peril walking around. Many times it is young people who are randomly attacked.

I want to talk about consequences. There were 15,813 referrals of 12- to 17-year-olds to the Garda youth diversion programme in 2023 and 15,790 in 2022, representing 10,000 and 8,400 offenders, respectively. They are the ones who reach the threshold to get an antisocial behaviour warning or an antisocial behaviour order, ASBO, and to be put onto a Garda programme.

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Could the Deputy repeat those figures, please?

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There were 15,813 referrals of 12- to 17-year-olds to the Garda youth diversion programme in 2023. They are the ones who end up getting into the system but I am more concerned about the ones, the hangers-on of the ring leaders, who should not get into the system in the first place. Are there any further plans for consequences? I raised the issue some months ago with the Tánaiste, Deputy Harris, of the need to put in place some sort of ban or restriction on social media for 11- to 13-year-olds because of the Andrew Tate-ificiation of young males in particular, who have no real role models in a more feminised primary school system. I have mentioned nitrous oxide canisters previously and the Taoiseach said he would look into action on that. What plans does the Government have to have consequences for actions? We know there are root causes and I have raised those root causes previously but if someone does something, where are the consequences?

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I thank the Deputy for raising what is a very real issue for many people in society, in terms of increased antisocial behaviour. We need both approaches. We need consistently and constantly to deal with the source and the evolution of this, including in school programmes. A lot is being done in schools actually. I visit schools a lot. I was in one recently where there was tremendous inclusivity. The school and the children themselves were working on a cultural committee involving different nationalities and so on. It was very heartwarming to see. In many cases the schools are well ahead of the rest of society.

In the adolescent and teenage years, there is a heightened degree of antisocial behaviour, which sometimes manifests itself in significant violence and attacks on people and the creation of a sense of insecurity as people walk in public parks or on public streets. There are consequences in the use of antisocial behaviour orders. The deployment of body-worn cameras for gardaí will help to observe stuff. The community safety partnerships and their introduction is important, as are the community safety plans for every area. The expansion of youth justice and youth diversion measures is also important but we have to do more on that, including developing more youth programmes for young people for whom the mainstream school system is not responding or supporting them in order to keep them within the conventional system. We have Youthreach and many other programmes, but a renewed effort is required to deal with this. The fact that the youth portfolio is now in the Department of education will help in creating a proper continuum from education to youth services, which we had previously.

Area partnerships are very important to restore a community's sense of ownership of these issues. Again, some of those area partnerships over the last decade or so went into decline. I have witnessed in the north-east inner-city initiative very significant progress being made. I do not think we can just deal with it with consequences alone, although there should be consequences. We need to consistently look at what kind of effective and impactful consequences would make a difference.

We brought in laws, as the Deputy knows, to tackle the antisocial use of scramblers and quad bikes and all of that. We have given additional powers to gardaí but the Deputy is talking about something that is below the level of knife crime and so on. He is talking about general antisocial and intimidatory behaviour, attacks and so on. The line between-----

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Verona Murphy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

Thank you, Taoiseach, your time is up.

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The line between community engagement and moving into the youth juvenile space is a difficult enough one to crack.

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As the Taoiseach said, the schools are doing a great job. It is mainly female teachers in primary schools, and they are the ones who are getting misogynistic abuse at sixth-class level. We have had different debates about that. The Taoiseach mentioned the community safety partnerships. I wish they would hurry up and get them set up because there is a deficit there, including in communities that are not designated as disadvantaged but have areas of disadvantage within them. They need to be widespread to cover that area.

I am a big believer in early years education because, as the HighScope Perry Preschool Project proves, every €1 invested gives a €17 return. We need to tackle the causes but, equally, the parents of a child who has been attacked or a pregnant lady, for example, who has been attacked will want to know what the consequences are. Sometimes these guys are parading themselves on social media and there could be 11 or 12 incidents before anything happens. There needs to be tougher, on-the-spot type of stuff, whether it is curfews, seizing scooters, seizing PlayStations or fining their parents. We need to add that into the mix so that they know there are first-hand repercussions rather than waiting a year to get through the system.

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That is a fair presentation. I will talk to the Minister for justice, reflecting on what the Deputy said. There is an absence of consequences within that space before formally referring people to the juvenile justice system - which we are reluctant to do, to give young people a chance - and, on the other hand, ensuring people cannot just behave with abandon and no consequences. I take the Deputy's point but this needs to be thought through systemically. It is one thing to draw up a list of potential consequences but there is then implementation, follow-through and all of that. However, I take his point. I will talk to the Minister for justice in this regard and reflect on what the Deputy said. I will ask the Minister to talk to him about it.

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