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‹ Ceisteanna ar Pholasaí nó ar Reachtaíocht - Questions on Policy or Legislation

Scrambler pursuit and Garda training

Summary

Peadar Tóibín asked whether gardaí will be trained and legally protected to pursue scrambler riders after Grace Lynch’s death. The Taoiseach said pursuit can be dangerous, cited other tactics such as traffic calming and community policing, and said he would ask the Minister for Justice to speak to the Deputy.

The death of Grace Lynch as a result of a scrambler was a shocking loss of life. It was shocking to her family, friends and community. We welcome the legislation that was brought before Cabinet today. However, there is an issue in relation to enforcement. Incredibly, gardaí are currently not trained to pursue a person on a scrambler or electric scooter. At the moment, there is no legal protection for them if they pursue. They could be stood down from their job or subject to a civil court case or Fiosrú investigation. Will the gardaí be given the training to be able to pursue individuals on scramblers? I see in the press statements today that there is an ability to pursue but this is not agreed with the gardaí. I have spoken to gardaí today and there is no agreement in that regard. How is it that one of the most inherently dangerous things a garda can do, that is, pursue in the case of someone fleeing in a vehicle, was too dangerous without training before but it is not too dangerous now?

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In my city, I recall when joyriding, as it was termed, was all the rage in the 1980s and different strategies had to be pursued. There was always a challenge with pursuit because it involves pursuing young people driving very-----

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There is no training.

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Verona Murphy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

It is not a back and forth, Deputy.

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-----speedily on vehicles. Very often, some pursuits could result in unintended consequences and some other innocent person being injured or killed because vehicles are out of control, particularly vehicles that are being chased or pursued. There is always a balance here.

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Training helps.

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Verona Murphy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

Please, Deputy. You are out of time.

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Other mechanisms then were deployed in those communities, which did not involve pursuit but traffic calming and other measures that rendered those bikes and so on unusable. That worked over time. There were also a lot of other measures, including community policing and getting that-----

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----into the communities.

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Verona Murphy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

Thank you, Taoiseach. Time is up.

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There is a wide range of training.

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There is no training.

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Verona Murphy An Ceann Comhairle Independent

The Taoiseach and the Deputy can talk further. I ask the Deputy to respect the Chair.

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If the Deputy knows the answer, why did he ask the question? I will ask the Minister for justice to talk to the Deputy about this issue.

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