The Bord Bia Act and governance and professional standards state that there should be no legal impediments or conflicts of interest. It is also stated that compliance is essential in ensuring adherence to the code of practice for the governance of State bodies. Larry Murrin is allowed to be chairperson of Bord Bia, when there is a complete conflict of interest. On the basis of what the Act states, he is involved in is insider trading. It is actually cartelling.

No, it is not.

It is. Would the Taoiseach allow the general secretary of Fine Gael to sit in on a Fianna Fáil Parliamentary Party meeting and listen to all the points being made? The Government is allowing Larry Murrin to sit as chairperson where he has access to full access to Bord Bia and to information on suppliers to Bord Bia. That is insider trading under Irish law.

That is a serious assertion-----

It is.

-----which should be taken off the record

No.

That is in breach of Standing Orders. It has to be.

I apologise. I did not hear it.

Insider trading is a criminal act. The Deputy will have to withdraw that.

I ask the Deputy, if he-----

I will not withdraw it.

Then there is a problem.

It is too serious for people here and for all the farming organisations.

It will have to be dealt with-----

The Taoiseach is not willing to deal with it. I asked a question the Taoiseach will not answer.

Deputy, sorry.

I will deal with the question, but the point I am trying to make is-----

We will deal with that-----

On a point of order-----

It is in the Act.

Please.

-----I do not like having to do this but it seems that Standing Orders-----

Taoiseach, we will have to deal with it outside Standing Orders. We will have to have-----

It is either a clear breach of Standing Orders or it is not.

I have asked the Deputy to withdraw it. I cannot make him do so. The same goes for all Members. The Deputy will have to deal with the consequences of it being on the record.

We have had a history in this House, where people-----

This is-----

Sorry now a second, if I may, through the Chair.

There is no point, because he will not withdraw it.

I am not talking about this case, but when will the House get serious about people's names being undermined and their reputations-----

Standing Orders as part of Dáil reform. The Chief Whip is behind the Taoiseach. If he wishes to put something into Standing-----

Who? It is in Standing Orders.

It is dealt with in a way there, but the Deputy has refused to withdraw it. I asked him to withdraw it.

I know that, but I want to make a general point before I go on. It is a point worth making.

The Ceann Comhairle said that she did not hear it

Excuse me.

It is worth making this point.

I did not hear it.

I heard it.

The Taoiseach heard it, and he is asking the Deputy to withdraw it.

The Ceann Comhairle should have heard it as well.

I was having a conversation with the usher, which should not be the case. The thing is, we are now in a position-----

Of course, the Ceann Comhairle is going to refer it to the committee.

It will be referred if a complaint is made.

All I want to observe is that this has been going on for quite a long time. I am making------

I reiterate that all Members have a responsibility-----

There is a casualness and nonchalance that is making a joke of Standing Orders.

It is not a joke by any means. All Members have a responsibility to follow Standing Orders. That is it.