Just an hour ago, the special advocate for survivors of institutional abuse, Ms Patricia Carey, strongly condemned what she describes as State failures in providing redress to victims of institutional abuse. She has recounted the negative experiences of survivors engaging with the Government's statutory schemes, including retraumatisation and exclusionary terms of reference. Survivors have spoken of a pattern of exclusion. I urge the Taoiseach to engage with Ms Carey at the earliest opportunity to see that survivors are treated right by the State.

I also ask the Taoiseach to engage on another matter, namely the treatment of survivors by the religious orders, which even now are evading justice by moving their assets to lay-run trusts. Clearly, we cannot appeal to religious orders to ensure, on the basis of their moral duty, that survivors receive justice and redress. I have spoken to the Taoiseach before about the need to have a statutory scheme or some provision in law to enable survivors to access redress from religious orders. On 25 June, the Dáil will debate my Private Member's Bill to provide a clear pathway to justice for survivors. I ask the Taoiseach to engage with me on that also.

Over the past 25 years, or from any historical perspective, the State has done more on redress than has ever been done before. That needs to be acknowledged. Very substantial funds have been allocated for redress. It is taxpayers' money. It is not our money; it belongs to the people, but I would not be as dismissive of what the State has done so far.

I am not, but-----

Sorry, but I did not interrupt the Deputy. Redress is more than just financial. Many supports, from those of the National Counselling Service to educational supports, have been provided for survivors.

Trauma brought about by abuse is lifelong, and there has to be continuous and consistent engagement with survivors in respect of both that trauma and the most effective way of responding to it on a continuing basis. The Government has engaged substantially right across the board and has allocated very substantial resources to address it.