Those who were listening to the Minister of State, Deputy Róisín Shortall, were not sure who the Minister for Health was.

It is radical reform.

She did not even mention him.

The Minister and the two Ministers of State at the Department of Health have to work together.

Perhaps the Senator might sit them down to engage in mediation.

I did not interrupt the Senator.

We cannot have the tail wagging the dog.

Senator Bacik to continue, without interruption.

Fine Gael and the Labour Party agreed to a very radical proposal in the programme for Government. That is what the Department of Health is overseeing. We need to support those involved in the development of a system of universal health care which will be a hugely progressive and positive development.

It is not going to happen.

I can hear the naysayers who presided over a shambles for 14 years.

The Senator should not fool herself. It is never going to happen.

When the Senator's party was in government, it presided over a shambles. We should not forget the public private partnerships.

Does the Senator have a question for the Leader?

I do.

The Senator should stop fooling herself. It will never happen.

I would like to ask the Leader about the pre-budget debates.

The Senator knows it, as does the Minister of State, Deputy Róisín Shortall.

Perhaps we might have a debate on the radical and progressive reforms the Government is introducing in the health care system.

That will not take long.

The previous Government failed to deliver such reforms.

It will be a ten-minute debate.