I also support the call for a debate on job creation. I welcome the Leader's response in that regard. Job creation, the correction of our fiscal deficit and a resolution to bank debt are of paramount importance in laying the foundation for the recovery of the economy.

My question to the Leader concerns a different matter. I was reliably informed in July that the report of what the Minister called the expert group, which is dealing with the European Court of Human Rights judgment, was almost ready to report by the end of the month. Subsequently, it was decided that publication would be postponed until the end of September. There seems to be no indication of that happening. I am concerned that this is a ploy whereby this is being delayed until after the referendum on children's rights. It is appalling if that is the case. I genuinely believe the people will see through it and see it for what it is. When we look at the referendum on children's rights, the public will rightly want to know whether it is a referendum to protect all children or whether it only refers to some. In other words, the unborn will not be protected as they have been up to now. If this is the case, it will have an implication for the manner in which people will approach that referendum. We will have the opportunity when the Minister for Children and Youth Affairs comes to the House to take up this issue, along with others. Before we have that debate, it is very important that we know what this expert group is saying. I will conclude by saying that I have criticised this group in the past. There are well known abortion advocates on that expert group.

That is an outrageous statement.

I could name them but I will refrain from doing so.

As their names are on the public record, the Senator has gone a long way in making outrageous statements.

I put it directly to the Minister that when the group was being set up, highly questionable changes were made at the very last minute where two people were added and two removed. I asked the Minister why that was done and he has not given me an answer.

Senator Walsh to continue, without interruption.

In fact, he said he knew nothing about it, which absolutely flabbergasts me.

With all due respect, the Senator is getting as close as possible to naming and referring to two people.

I did not name them.

The Senator is now referring to two people.

On a point of order, there is a rule in this House-----

It is well known because their views on abortion are on the record.

That is unfair. The Senator is out of order.

It has made me and others very suspicious about what this group might come up with.

I am raising a point of order. There is a rule in this House that we do not impugn reputations by name and the Senator has pretty much named the people and made outrageous assertions about people that are utterly unfounded. I ask him to withdraw them.

Senator Walsh is out of order.

I named no one. What I have said is absolutely sound.

If the Senator narrows it down to a group of two or three people, he as good as names them. That is unfair. I have dealt with the matter and we are moving on.

Hear, hear.