That was a very fair ruling by the Leas-Chathaoirleach. I support the sentiments of the Labour Party group leader in this House in respect of her expression of support and solidarity with our colleague, Deputy Róisín Shortall, because she still remains a valued colleague. She is a not a loss to the Department of Health, she is a loss to this country, the health service and the protection of front-line services.

She is a loss to the Labour Party.

I received an invitation in the post this morning to the launch of a book entitled Standing By the Republic. This is exactly what Deputy Shortall did last week in the Dáil when she set out her vision for how health services should be provided in this country with conviction.

Her father was in a Fianna Fáil cumann. She might come back to Fianna Fáil.

Front-line health services, like primary and respite care, home helps and community nursing homes, are the responsibility of the State. The State has a duty of care to its citizens. It is not appropriate that these services are farmed out or privatised. It does not work.

Is the Senator calling for a debate on the issue of primary care? We do not want a debate on the former Minister of State.

I am looking for a debate and thank the Leas-Chathaoirleach for his assistance in that regard. When the Minister for Health was here yesterday - I took note of the time; it was 4.15 p.m. - he said there had been no cuts to home helps or carers. If the Minister is of that view, the Government is totally detached from the reality on the ground because we are inundated with calls from people who are so distressed due to the level of cuts in home helps and carers. We need to resolve this matter.