On a point of order, there is no purpose in raising points of order if Members continue to breach the rules of the House in referring to persons who are not present.

That is not a point of order.

It is. It is about the rules of the House.

It is about the naming of a person.

It is not a point of order.

As Senator David Norris pointed out, I have also raised this issue previously.

The point of order concerns the naming of a person in the House.

Senator Mark Daly did not name anyone.

He mentioned the name Gilmore. I heard him; he is sitting right in front of me.

Just like Senator Darragh O'Brien, Senator Mark Daly identified him.

I understand the Tánaiste did not appoint anybody.

Senator Ivana Bacik is sensitive about the issue. I wonder why.

Appoint and disappoint - that is the Labour Party policy.

Does Senator Mark Daly have a question for the Leader?

It is an important issue, but it can be dealt with without the naming the people involved.

Yes, without personalising it.

Does Senator Mark Daly have a question for the Leader?

I hope Senator Ivana Bacik will support the request for a debate on the issues of openness and transparency in the appointment of advisers who have so much power and influence, given that 98% of legislation is not debated by the Dáil and the Seanad. When the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade appoints a fourth adviser on a huge salary and is pushing for others without publicly advertising-----

Does the Senator have a question for the Leader?

Why were the jobs not advertised in the public service, as they should have been, given that 18 months ago the Government promised to ensure openness and transparency?

I second Senator Sean D. Barrett's amendment to the Order of Business.