I commend Senator Darragh O’Brien and his party leader in the other House on coming up with an innovative solution to our political ills, namely, to abolish the party Whip by exhorting Labour and Fine Gael backbenchers in the Dáil and Seanad to defy their parties by voting against the Whip.

They are the ones who were complaining.

I commend them on that.

They will not be thrown in prison.

I wish to ask the Deputy Leader and the House if this is a genuine call for political reform or just cynical exploitation of the legitimate fears of the carers for political gain, which would be uncharacteristic of Fianna Fáil.

Does Senator Gilroy have a question for the Leader?

That is the question for the Deputy Leader. I seek a debate on the matter.

The four Labour Deputies who voted against the Whip are out of the party. What is Senator Gilroy talking about?