I share the concern expressed by people on this side of the House about the revelations concerning apparent interference in the distribution of money in the health service. It is not satisfactory just to say that Fianna Fáil did it in the past and we can do it now as a result. That seems to be the tenor of some of the comments. We were promised new politics by this Government.

Hear, hear.

We were promised an end to stroke politics and corruption.

Hear, hear.

It seems there is very little to choose between people. Fianna Fáil seems to be in the process of learning its lesson, and if the Government wants to learn a lesson, it should consider what happened to that party at the last election. It may happen to the Government parties as they may be continuing on the same path.

Is there a question?

When will there be a debate on the matter as it seems to distort Government policy? We were told there would be a policy of centres of excellence-----

Hear, hear.

-----and people around the country were prepared to sacrifice their personal interests in order to support the policy in the interests of the citizens. The HSE does not seem to know that the position is being changed as the colleagues of Ministers - who seem to have persuaded the Minister in charge of public expenditure - turn up at announcements and the launching of projects. Meanwhile, HSE personnel are puzzled. That reminds me of the Taoiseach's announcement that he would abolish the Seanad when in the presence of the Leader of the Seanad, who plainly had not the slightest idea that this was coming down the track. I deplore this action and it is very important that we clean up this mess and ensure we have good standards in politics. I am not a member of Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, Labour or Sinn Féin.

I went to the forum on the convention on the Constitution at the weekend as a sceptic but I returned from it fully converted. I was immensely impressed by the contributions of those citizens randomly selected. I was very taken by the comments of somebody at my table who said that although he was not super intelligent and did not have a real political grasp, it was his Constitution and there was a right to participate. That was a wonderful attitude and he may have underestimated himself. We had marvellous discussions. People from the Seanad broadened the remit to take in issues like nomination to the Presidency, and 96% of people - the highest percentage of any issue - were in favour of it. People felt it was important.

The Senator is over time.

I hope people and politicians will continue to broaden this issue and take in the most significant change to the Constitution in my lifetime, the abolition of an entire arm of governance.