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Seanad
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Removal of committee members

Summary

Senators oppose removing experienced members from Oireachtas committees without debate, consultation or regard for proportionality, and ask the Leader to challenge the Government’s conduct.

David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

First, I second Senator Rónán Mullen's amendment. In addition, I seek permission to print a Bill in my name and that of Senator Barrett entitled the medical practitioners Bill 2013, which is with the Bills Office at present. I also wish to comment on the position regarding the Committee of Selection. It appears quite extraordinary that Members are bypassing-----

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Paddy Burke An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator, is the aforementioned Bill on the Order Paper?

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

It is with the Bills Office.

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Paddy Burke An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

It is not on the Order Paper.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

Very well. I will move it on Monday.

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Paddy Burke An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

It must be on the Order Paper to do that.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

In that case, I will concentrate on the question of the Committee of Selection. It seems extraordinary that every regulation of this House is being violated by the present Government in its own party interests. I have never seen anything like it - that is, the concentration of power. Fine Gael in particular is treating Seanad Éireann as though it were the party's own private club, and-----

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Paddy Burke An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

Do you have a question for the Leader, Senator?

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

Yes, I do. Does the Leader consider this to be proper practice, and will he convey to the Government Members' strong concern regarding party control of committees? All Members have tried to fight against this on the committees on which they serve. I have been a member of the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs since its establishment. I consider it to be one of the most significant committees because it deals with such profound issues. It is non-partisan and it is not helpful when people are removed from it, not because of a disqualification of their ideas or their capacity to serve, but simply because they apparently engaged in some misbehaviour in respect of their parties. It simply is perceived as a reshuffle in which people are being punished. As for the people concerned, Senator Healy Eames has spoken passionately in the Seanad. She has brought views from the committee on-----

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Paddy Burke An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator, we are not debating the motion at present.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

I am outlining the reason I believe it should be debated.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

The motion should be debated because it is completely wrong that people who have capacity should be removed from committees such as the Joint Committee on Education and Social Protection, on which Senator Healy Eames has also spoken. Senator Bradford is one of the best speakers in this House. He always maintains a cool, detached, logical, non-offensive and non-aggressive mien and adds enormously to the Joint Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality. It is outrageous.

I will move on to the other House and the extraordinary, cataclysmic stupidity of the present Administration in removing the only person who got the financial situation right in the entire Dáil, namely, Deputy Mathews. He got it right, but the Government-----

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Paddy Burke An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator Norris, we are not speaking about the other House. You are out of order completely. We are not speaking about the other House here. Do you have a question for the Leader on the Order of Business today?

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

Yes. Will the Leader protest in the strongest possible terms on behalf of Seanad Éireann at the stripping away of necessary talent such as Deputy Mathews, the only person who got it right? He is being fired out because he voted.

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Paddy Burke An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

I call Senator Michael D'Arcy.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

Moreover, the Taoiseach talks all the time about Denmark.

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Paddy Burke An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

The Senator is way over time.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

Let us have Denmark, then, because he would not get away with it there.

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Paddy Burke An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator, you are way over time.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

It would be compensated for by allowing a free vote - that is, a vote of conscience. He picks and chooses, and so this is a bad day for democracy.

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Paddy Burke An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator, you are way over time.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

It is a complete disgrace that people such as Deputy Creighton and Deputy Timmins, who is a splendid Member, have been kicked out.

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Paddy Burke An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

I call Senator Michael D'Arcy.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

It is not because they are not qualified, as they are all qualified. They should be retained. It is illegal to remove them this way.

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