I sometimes fail to understand my good friends opposite. Having listened once again with great care and interest to Senators Darragh O'Brien and Denis O'Donovan, I urge caution and calm. There is no need to confuse anybody further. There is no need for confusion. As a learned counsel, Senator Denis O'Donovan understands well the point made by Senator Ivana Bacik - that Revenue is independent in pursuance of its functions under law. That is the situation and there is no need for excitement.

I called for clarification.

The Senator, like everyone else, is concerned about those who paid by credit or debit card last year.

It was this year.

There is no legal obligation on them to pay by lump sum until March next year.

It was six months ago.

The Minister, Deputy Michael Noonan, has made that quite clear. Revenue is prepared to be quite reasonable in that regard.

The Senator should ask the general public about it.

If the Senator gives it a few hours, it will be crystal clear. I assure him that the Minister has spelled this out. This is part of the 2014 budgetary arithmetic.

Is the Senator supporting the call to bring the Minister to the House?

I do not think that is going to be necessary. I think this is a load of baloney.

As the Senator is here to clarify it, we do not need the Minister.

I thank the Senator.

Nothing has been clarified.

The situation is quite clear.

Does the Senator have a question for the Leader?

The Minister has made it quite clear that there is no legal obligation to pay a lump sum until March. The State does not need the money and does not want the money until next year. It is part of the 2014 budgetary arithmetic.

The letter from Revenue does not state that.

We should leave it alone. Someone over there was on-----

The Senator is over time.