I am sure the Leader would have no objection to asking any Minister to come to the House to discuss issues regarding NAMA at the appropriate time and in the appropriate place. However, I completely concur with Senator Bacik. The matter alleged is rightly one for the Garda Commissioner and should remain with him-----

We just want to know whether it is with him.

-----until he has had the opportunity-----

The Senator is missing the point.

-----to investigate properly and appropriately any allegations of fraud that are being made.

The Senator is missing the point.

I am sure the Senator would agree if he were sitting on this side of the House-----

I do, but the Senator is missing the point.

-----instead of, dare I say, stirring on the other side of the House.

Sorry-----

Senator Hayden without interruption.

On a point of order-----

A point of order, Senator O'Brien.

No one is stirring. I have raised an issue that is of national importance so I ask the Senator to withdraw that phrase.

No, Senator.

I do not stir and I am not spinning.

I have no intention of withdrawing. As the Senator well knows-----

What I am saying is that if the Senator wants-----

-----if there are any allegations-----

Senator Hayden, please. Senator O'Brien is on a point of order. What is the point of order?

I formally ask that Senator Hayden withdraw the allegation that I am stirring. I am raising matters of fact and of national and international importance here.

I call Senator Hayden.

All I was asking for was confirmation as to whether the Garda Commissioner has been asked to make an investigation of corruption.

The Senator has proposed an amendment to the Order of Business.

I am not asking to be involved in it.

As I said-----

I ask the Senator to withdraw that phrase of "stirring".

As I said, I do not intend to withdraw that remark. If there is any allegation of wrongdoing or fraud in NAMA-----

The Senator has missed the point completely.

I ask Senator Darragh O'Brien to resume his seat.

-----the appropriate person to investigate that is the Garda Commissioner.

The Senator has missed the point completely.

Does Senator Hayden have a question for the Leader?

I do indeed.

The Senator should have listened at the start.