Objection. It is outrageous to suggest any political party has gerrymandered constituency boundaries.

The Labour Party has.

That is absolutely outrageous.

The Labour Party decided to-----

I ask the Senator to withdraw his remark.

No, it is official policy.

I ask that the remark be withdrawn. It is outrageous. An independent electoral commission sets the boundaries. The Senator's accusation is outrageous.

Senator Terry Leyden to continue, without interruption.

On a point of order, I am not competent to make a factual comment on this case, but I am sure the Senator will remember the very remarkable gerrymandering that was given the name "Tullymander" in memory of the Labour Party Minister who had organised it.

That is not a point of order. Senator Terry Leyden to continue, without interruption.

I thank Senator David Norris for reminding me of that fact. I knew Jim Tully well.

On a point of order-----

Is it a point of order?

Yes, it is. An independent electoral commission sets the boundaries. It is outrageous and a slur on the Government parties and this House for the Senator to make those accusations.

Will the Senator, please, resume her seat? Senator Terry Leyden should proceed.

It is also a slur on the independent electoral commission.

The Tullymander helped to have Fianna Fáil voted in.

I knew Jim Tully well; he was a fine man.

That is not relevant to the Order of Business. Does the Senator have a question for the Leader on the Order of Business?

By the way, if the Government wanted to have an independent commission to draw up constituency boundaries, it would not have the Secretary General of the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government draw up the plans or the technical people-----

Does the Senator have a question for the Leader on the Order of Business?

The Minister knew what areas were in and interfered in the matter.

Does the Senator have a question for the Leader?

The point I am making is-----

The point the Senator is making is irrelevant.

There is nothing to fear but fear itself. Even with all of the gerrymandering they are still going to lose their seats - thanks be to God.

Will the Senator, please, resume his seat?

On a point of order-----

I call the Senator on the Order of Business.

Senator Terry Leyden is out of order and I am very disappointed with him.

The truth will prevail.

The Senator should not cast the first stone.

The Senator to continue on the Order of Business, please.

How many of them are true socialists?