Government response on abuse allegations
Bacik expresses sensitivity toward survivors, condemns alleged cover-up and stresses the difficulty of reporting sexual abuse, while referencing the Children First debate.
I ask the Senator to hold off until I know the answer. If I can, I will have the Minister in the House today and, if not, tomorrow.
Senator Darragh O'Brien has raised the issue of sex abuse in the context of the recent public concern about Maíria Cahill and the assertions, comments and statements she has made on what happened to her and the cover-up of the abuse she suffered perpetrated by senior figures in Sinn Féin-IRA. Like others, I want to be sensitive, as were Senators Darragh O'Brien and Jillian van Turnhout in their contributions on this matter. It is unfortunate that Senator David Cullinane responded in such an aggressive manner in politicising it. I want to be fair. I was on "Prime Time" last night discussing the issue, about which I spoke passionately. As a practitioner, I have represented Survivors of Abuse before the redress board. I know how much it costs people to come forward to make these disclosures and to be then treated in a way that is distrustful or disrespectful is appalling in any institution or position of power. That is a general comment on the issue.
I am glad to note that the Director of Public Prosecutions in Northern Ireland has announced a review of the case - that is important - and any other that may arise. Certainly Maíria Cahill, in her brave and courageous comments, has said there will be others. The Tánaiste and Minister for Social Protection, Deputy Joan Burton, has already met her, as have others, including Deputy Micheál Martin. I am aware that the Taoiseach is to meet her this week. Senator Darragh O'Brien asked about the Government's response. If the review of the Director of Public Prosecutions in Northern Ireland uncovers issues that have arisen in this jurisdiction, clearly we will need to ensure they are investigated here. We might await a further response from the Government.
Senator Darragh O'Brien asked about the Shannon Airport scheme. I have corresponded with many of the individuals who are deeply concerned about its effect and I am aware that there are ongoing issues. On the question of whether there will be amendments to the social welfare Bill, I do not know. I cannot accept the amendment proposed today, but I will be happy to make further inquiries for the Senator, as I have already done in seeking to respond to those who have corresponded with me on the issue.
Senator Michael D'Arcy raised the issue of a cover-up of child abuse, particularly in the diocese of Ferns. He is right. We have seen this happen in other institutions, too. He also raised the issue of Irish Water and one of which I had not been aware, namely, the desecration of W. T. Cosgrave's grave in Inchicore. I am concerned to hear about it and, like others, we should all condemn what happened. I am glad that it was also condemned by Senators on the other side of the House because the desecration of any grave is an appalling act of vandalism.
Senator Jillian van Turnhout raised in a very sensitive manner the concerns about the Maíria Cahill case and asked whom people in this jurisdiction should contact. Clearly, Túsla and the Garda would be the appropriate authorities. The appropriate authorities in Northern Ireland would be the PSNI and the child support services.
I am told that the Children First Bill is still awaiting Committee Stage in the Dáil. I will make inquiries to see whether it can be brought forward, but clearly it cannot be brought to this House until it has passed through the Dáil.
Like Senator Jillian van Turnhout, I am concerned to see the criminal law (sex offences) Bill being brought forward. I know that the Attorney General is looking at a number of outstanding issues, but the Bill has priority for publication. I understand it is planned to publish it before Christmas. There are a number of issues dealt with in the legislation that are of particular interest to many of us in this House, including criminalising the purchase of sex. Senator David Norris also raised this issue and disagreed fundamentally with Senator Jillian van Turnhout. I disagree with him. I am a supporter of the Turn Off the Red Light campaign and urge the Senator or anyone else who has a concern about the proposed criminalisation of the purchase of sex to examine the report of the Joint Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality which was adopted unanimously with cross-party support. The report supports and recommends the introduction of new legislation to criminalise the purchase of sex in line with the Swedish approach which many of us saw in practice and were impressed by, notwithstanding any survey conducted by Queen's University, of which I am aware.
Senator John Gilroy referred to section 58 of the Mental Health Act. I know that the Senator has a long track record of raising mental health issues. I also know that that particular provision was controversial in the lifetime of the last Seanad and, as the Senator knows, attempts were made to deal with the matter. On 12 November there will be a debate in the House on suicide and mental health issues. We might try to make a concerted effort to raise that specific issue, as well as raising it directly with the Minister.
Senator Marc MacSharry referred to water charges. I have dealt with the issue of Irish Water.
Senator Catherine Noone welcomed the announcement by the Lonely Planet guide that Ireland was in the top five destinations to visit in 2015. She specifically mentioned the Wild Atlantic Way. I agree with her that it is a huge boost to the tourism industry to have such an endorsement by the Lonely Planet guide, which is hugely welcome. The policy to retain the 9% VAT rate and the development of the Wild Atlantic Way have provided a major boost for tourism and contributed to the great increase in visitor numbers which we all welcome.
Senator Marie-Louise O'Donnell referred to Irish Water. I have responded on that issue, as well as the proposed amendment to the Order of Business. I will await the Minister's response.
Senator Lorraine Higgins referred to the sale of a NAMA site on Sir John Rogerson's Quay. There is a comment on this issue in the Irish Independent today which I read with concern. I will be happy to seek a debate with the Minister for Finance on NAMA's current strategy. Such a debate would be useful. It may also be a matter for the Joint Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, if it has not already met NAMA representatives to discuss the same issue.
Senator Sean D. Barrett raised banking issues, including some interesting points about Ulster Bank. In particular, he looked at the Central Bank's announcement of its inquiry into rogue banks. He said there were two banking inquiries at the one time after we had been waiting for so long and asked who would investigate the Central Bank.
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The Oireachtas banking inquiry committee, of which Senator Sean D. Barrett and others are members, is the appropriate body to investigate the role of the Central Bank and failings in its regulation or the lack of regulation in the past. We all await the undertaking of that strand of the banking inquiry committee's investigations with anticipation.
Senator Terry Brennan mentioned the vandalising of the grave of W. T. Cosgrave. I agree with him in that regard. He also welcomed the announcement of the Lonely Planet guide.
I have commented on Senator David Cullinane's contribution. However, I was disappointed to hear such an aggressive approach being taken to this sensitive issue. It is important that we be sensitive in our treatment of it. It appears that there has been a cover-up, a point with which most people would agree.
Senator Jim D'Arcy raised the issue of cattle and sheep rustling. It is not a new crime. In fact, it was widespread in Ireland in the 19th century. I agree entirely with the Senator that it is a serious criminal matter and I will be happy to seek a debate on it with the appropriate Minister. He suggested I contact the Minister for Justice and Equality with a view to re-examining the penalties for rustling. It is already a criminal offence under the Criminal Justice (Theft and Fraud Offences) Act, but the Senator's idea is that we should create a specific offence. We will ask the Minister to attend the House for such a debate. It might also be a matter for the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine. However, it seems that it is more of a policing issue, which may be the appropriate view to take, rather than looking at the creation of a new offence.
Senator Mary White mentioned her 2012 Bill on the compulsory retirement age and the issue of age discrimination. Like her, I was delighted to see Deputy Anne Ferris introduce a similar Bill in the Dáil. As the Senator said, there is a lottery system in the Dáil, which means that Deputy Anne Ferris's Bill cannot be guaranteed a hearing. I think we have a much better system of allocating time for Private Membes' Bills in the Seanad. I hope we can move forward with Senator Mary White's Bill if time is not made available to debate Deputy Anne Ferris's Bill in the Dáil.
I also commend Senator Mary White for introducing her Bill on parental leave. Trinity College College is organising a talk tonight on parental and paternity leave which I will be chairing. It will contrast the approach taken in Ireland with the superior approach adopted in Sweden. The Minister for Justice and Equality, Deputy Fances Fitzgerald, has made positive comments on this matter on which we will all work together.
Senator Michael Mullins raised the issue of cattle rustling and called on the Minister for Justice and Equality to come to the House to discuss it. The Senator also pointed out that Irish Water was seeking to fix a system had been broken through decades of under-investment. He raised issues in County Roscommon in this regard and made the point that in many rural areas people were used to paying for water. This raises issues of equity as those living in urban areas may not be used to making such payments.
Senator Rónán Mullen raised the issues of Irish Water and wind farms and called for a general debate on energy pricing and security. Such a debate would be useful in anticipation of the introduction of a climate change Bill.
Senator Terry Leyden also referred to Irish Water, but I must confess that I lost track of his contribution when he spoke about a revolution in the Labour Party, of which I was not aware.
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The Deputy Leader has yet to be informed.
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It must be terrible not to be informed of an ongoing revolution; as the Senator was involved in the creation of the HSE, he would know about such matters.
Senator Fidelma Healy Eames referred to the case of Ms Maíria Cahill. I have addressed this issue, expressed concerns about the cover-up and how she was treated and mentioned the need for sensitivity when dealing with the survivors of sexual abuse because it is very difficult to come forward to disclose such incidents. We now know that it can take years for a person to come forward and that it can be very hard to go through the legal process.
Senator Fidelma Healy Eames also referred to the suggestion of Government hypocrisy on the issue of Irish Water. As others noted, in the 2011 general election the Senator campaigned on the back of the NewERA document.