The good management and governance of the House requires a little common sense, flexibility and goodwill. Appropriate and genuine Order of Business requests have been presented by Senator Marie-Louise O'Donnell in respect of the water charges fiasco, as it could be called at this stage, and Senator John Crown in respect of the pension crisis. However, we should accept that if we are to have a meaningful debate on these important subjects we certainly need Ministers present. Passing motions to drag in a Minister does not always result in a positive outcome. I am keen to hear what the Leader has to say. It is imperative that both Ministers come before the House no later than next Tuesday. We need a little flexibility and we should give the Leader time.

Well said.

That is not particularly helpful.

Senator Paul Coghlan should remember to stay silent when he is winning.

I can travel some of the road with my brother.

The Senator has made his contribution.