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Suspending water charges

Summary

Senator Byrne calls for water charges to be suspended, arguing that the Government has created legal and administrative confusion and lacks public support. He says Senators should vote to keep Irish Water publicly owned and demand a referendum.

I do not believe the Government will end up charging for this period of time at all. I do not believe I will pay because one of the principles of taxation, or one of Adam Smith's canons of taxation, is certainty of taxation. Under the Constitution, the Government must tell people what taxes they owe but it has not told us. Nobody knows and it is a complete shambles.

The Government must do what Fianna Fáil has asked and suspend the water charges. I do not believe that anyone is under an obligation to pay water charges for October or November while this mess and shambles goes on.

Let us not forget that this is a shambolic Government. Once the troika left town and once the excuses that the Government had were over, it simply has not been able to run the country.

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What is the growth rate at present? It is 4.7%.

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Does the Senator want to know about the growth rate?

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Paddy Burke An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator Byrne, please, without interruption.

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Does the Government side want to know about adding in prostitution and adding in illegal activities at the start of the year as the reason for economic growth? We can have a debate on that issue.

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Paddy Burke An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator Byrne, please, through the Chair.

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It is €1 billion more in tax. Please, continue.

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Paddy Burke An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator Byrne, please, without interruption.

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Thanks to calculating the income from prostitution, we have economic growth. This Government has made a shambles of it. There is no public support for Irish Water at the moment and I urge all Members not to wait for legal advice.

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It is our duty to look at these motions and then vote on them in accordance with what we want. Let us forget about legal advice. There is nothing to stop us maintaining the ownership of Irish Water in the hands of the public. It is essential that everyone here does this. If Members vote against this motion today-----

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Senator Leyden seemed to think there was.

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I am speaking, Senator.

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Paddy Burke An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator Byrne, please, without interruption.

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Some Senators think if we say "pretty please", things can be sorted.

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If Members vote against this motion they are essentially supporting the privatisation of Irish Water.

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Next it will be the ESB network.

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We will not take any guff from the Taoiseach and his promises to tighten up the legislation. That is nonsense, as I said yesterday. We must have a referendum.

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If Members support the maintaining of Irish Water and the maintaining of a healthy and safe water supply to the people, they must support this motion.

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