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Marriage equality referendum

Summary

Senator Norris praises RTÉ’s referendum coverage, criticises arguments against marriage equality and supports separating civil marriage from religious control.

David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

I would like to congratulate RTE on an outstanding "The Late Late Show" on Friday, particularly the segment on the equality referendum. I thought Colm O'Gorman and Una Mullally spoke magnificently. They spoke from the heart, and they told the truth. It was extraordinary that all the "No" side could dredge up was a single mother and a gay man. Gay men who are opposed to marriage are 0.0003% of the population so one has to look carefully to find one, but well done to RTE on managing to locate not one but two of these curious phenomena.

I noted also that Senator Walsh spoke from the audience in support of civil partnership. That is wonderful. I remember the way he went on in this House when he was so bitterly opposed to it. He put down septic, disgraceful amendments and then voted against it. Perhaps, after the passage of this referendum, we can look forward to all those on the "No" side saying-----

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Paddy Burke An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

Have you a question for the Leader?

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

No, I do not, and I do not have to have one.

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Paddy Burke An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

This is the Order of Business, Senator.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

Yes, this is the Order of Business.

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Paddy Burke An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

We are not rehashing the debates that took place in the Chamber previously.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

I look forward to all those on the "No" side joining us in saying how wonderful civil marriage is after the referendum passes.

With regard to the Archbishop of Armagh, the Most Rev. Dr. Martin, I believe he is right to consider the question of whether the church should be involved in civil marriage. I have never thought it should be involved.

I always have felt we should be like the French and should separate the State and the church. I see no spiritual reason for churches of any kind, including my own, to be involved in the division of spoils, which is basically to what this idea of civil marriage accounts. He is perfectly entitled to look after it; well done. I think they should have thought of it before they were faced with the equality referendum.

I wish to raise one other matter with the indulgence of the Cathaoirleach, namely, the horrible situation in Nepal. A woman named Edith Wilkins started the Edith Wilkins Street Children Foundation, which is located in Darjeeling, India, very close to the borders of Nepal. It has 28 Nepali-speaking volunteers, including two Irish people. The Nepalese Government is hampering matters by imposing a tax and all kinds of regulations and so on. The Irish Government has given €1 million, which at the time I stated was welcome but too small. The Edith Wilkins trust, which is on the ground with Nepali-speaking people in the area, has been told the funds all have been allocated to the traditional funding recipients. I ask the Leader, as a matter of urgency, to write to the Minister mentioning the Edith Wilkins trust and asking that it be included for some small amount of money because the trust is in the position-----

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Paddy Burke An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator, you are way over time.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

I apologise, I will end on this point. It is in the position to do the greatest amount of good.

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