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Counselling and marriage equality

Summary

Senator Mullen argues that State funding should support counselling organisations reflecting both same-sex and traditional definitions of marriage, and questions the influence of public agencies and donors on the marriage-equality referendum.

I thank Senator Diarmuid Wilson for bringing a very important issue to the floor of the Seanad. He is absolutely correct in everything he said. I would like to live in a country where state funding would be available to organisations that provide counselling for gay couples and those organisations the mission of which is to provide counselling for married couples according to their understanding of marriage, one that is shared by millions of people, that it is between a man and a woman, because it unites children with their biological father and mother. There is a lot to be feared, given what has just happened. It is no argument to say the likes of Barnardos has also had its funding cut because what Deputy Mattie McGrath, Deputy Michael Healy-Rae, Senator Fidelma Healy Eames and I brought to attention yesterday was the fact that Atlantic Philanthropies has put tens of millions of dollars into advocacy on the side of changing marriage in favour of same-sex marriage in recent years. We discovered that it is also giving €8 million to Tusla, the Child and Family Agency, which is welcome in itself-----

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It is for early intervention services.

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-----but when the head of Tusla-----

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The Senator should tell the truth.

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Paddy Burke An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator Rónán Mullen should be allowed to speak without interruption.

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I do not interrupt others. When the head of Tusla is also involved in and supporting the "Yes Equality" campaign, it does make one wonder. If that is what is happening before a "Yes" vote happens at all, which I hop will not happen, what will it be like when it is claimed there is a radical, constitutional equality between same-sex and heterosexual married couples? What will be the implications for people's right to teach in State-funded schools that fathers and mothers are necessary for children? Will that fall foul of the radical new constitutional version of equality that is being proposed and what will it be like for agencies such as ACCORD which have helped tens of thousands of couples this year alone?

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Paddy Burke An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

Does the Senator have a question for the Deputy Leader?

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What Senator Diarmuid Wilson has raised is very apposite and we should be very concerned about the capturing of Government agencies by international donors. We should ask about their influence on the referendum campaign and the very workings of government.

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