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Leader’s response on councillors

Summary

The Leader appeals for orderly debate, accepts the proposal for a cross-party approach to councillors’ terms and conditions, and says the Housing Minister is preparing measures.

I thank the 26 Senators who spoke. We need to take a collective deep breath as Members of the Upper House. I know that we all still have the "L" plates. However, this is Parliament and we should all behave accordingly. If we need to look at how we do our business, let us do so, but the comments of Senator Rose Conway-Walsh came true today. I believe that on the Order of Business it should be a case of one item per person.

Three amendments have been proposed to the Order of Business. On the two motions on councillors' pay and conditions, I make the following genuine appeal. Despite what Senator David Norris may think, councillors form part of the electorate that elects Members of the House. Therefore, it is important, as their representatives, to represent and voice their views. I will accept Senator Diarmuid Wilson's-----

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

I thought the Leader and his colleagues were elected by the people by delegated suffrage. I am glad to be told the truth.

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I am happy to accept the proposal made by Senator Jennifer Murnane O'Connor in that regard. However, as we have done with other elements of Government policy, if there is a serious willingness to acknowledge that the role of councillors, their terms and conditions, work rate and remit have changed, let us not play political games. Let us collectively form an all-party, cross-party, group, to include Independents of all views, including Senator David Norris, members of the Independent group formed from the Taoiseach's nominees, Senator Gerard P. Craughwell's group and the political parties. Let us do this and not play politics with the role of councillors. We hear about the role of local government and talk about reform of local government. The most important people are those who work within it - the officials and public representatives. I am happy to work with everyone here, provided there is no political gamesmanship and no attempts to score political points to try to get votes. We want to bring about reform and improve the role, remuneration and conditions of councillors. Senator Denis Landy made a very good point the last day about the mental health issue, one we need to discuss. If we are serious about doing this, let us deal with it in a manner that befits this Chamber. I will be happy to take the amendment on board in the spirit of all Members of the House, if that is agreeable to Members opposite.

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In particular, Members on this side.

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It applies particularly to Government Members. On the first or second day of this Seanad, Senator Paddy Burke had a motion on K class contributions.

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There was a debate on the issue last December.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Order, please. The Leader to continue, without interruption.

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It is my intention to take the Bill on Seanad reform next week when there will be an opportunity to have this issue form part of that discussion. I know that the Minister for Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government, Deputy Simon Coveney, is working on the very serious issue of the terms and conditions and role of local authority members. He is putting a plan in place, with a package of measures. In fairness to him, he has had to deal with the issues of waste and water services and now has to deal with the housing strategy which we all agree is the most important issue in performing our role as public representatives. The Minister is working on it and is very serious about dealing with it.

The proposal made by Senator Catherine Ardagh about the Minister for Justice and Equality, Deputy Frances Fitzgerald, is very important, not least because there is the loss of and the threat to human life. It concerns us all to hear this morning about another serious incident in which a person was critically injured. The Minister was in the House this afternoon to take the Commencement matter on Console which was raised by Senator Marie-Louise O'Donnell and will be in the House again later today to deal with legislation on the Criminal Assets Bureau and the proceeds of crime. I again make the point that the safety of residents, whether they are in north Dublin, south Dublin or any other part of the country, is important. The Minister will not come to the House to discuss this issue today, for obvious reasons. I, therefore, ask Senator Catherine Ardagh to withdraw her amendment to the Order of Business. I will work with her to ensure the Minister will come to the House to deal with the specific issue of gangland crime. It is one we need to address, as a country. However, let us put it in context. An additional €55 million is being given to the Garda this year-----

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Excuse me, I cannot hear the Leader speaking.

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