That is not true.

Absolutely. There were Members-----

Senator Buttimer has no evidence for that.

There were Members-----

Do not misuse-----

Senator Mullen should speak through the Chair.

They were Members-----

On a point of order-----

If it is a point of order.

They were Members-----

I noticed-----

They were Members-----

I noticed-----

I have a point of order.

I noticed this yesterday.

There is no point of order.

I have the floor.

I have a point of order.

I noticed this yesterday as well. This is a point of order. The Leader has a tendency to go off on a frolic of his own when giving answers on the Order of Business.

That is an opinion of Senator Mullen, it is not a point of order.

It arose yesterday relating to a matter which I did not have a particular interest in.

The Leader-----

He is doing it again now but he is going further by saying something for which he has no evidence.

The Leader has delivered his answer.

The Leader should not misuse his position by bringing up-----

I can give the Senator the evidence.

The Leader's response is a matter for the Leader himself.

That is just politicians mouthing and bringing politics into disrepute.

The Leader's response is a matter for the Leader himself. The Leader, without interruption.

The Iona Institute has never reported, as it is required to do, to SIPO. It has never done it.

In reply to-----

Can I please have the Leader without interruption?

I did say to Senator Mullen in my reply that I did not want to have a row with him. In reply to the Order of Business, there were Members of the previous Dáil and Seanad brought to the United States of America prior to the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill, paid for by members-----

That is not what Senator Buttimer alleged a minute ago.

It is correct. And second-----

Senator Buttimer is completely mixed up.

Second, as part of the Children and Family Relationships-----

Senator Buttimer is just mouthing. He is completely mixed up.

Second-----

The Senator alleges one thing and then he substantiates it by something completely different.

Senator Mullen should withdraw that remark.

It is a matter of fact that Members of the previous Dáil and Seanad were brought to the United States of America prior to the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill, paid for and bought by-----

What has that got to do with six figure sums being pumped into abortion campaigning?

Second, as part of the Children and Family Relationships Bill pre-legislative scrutiny, there were members brought from America to give testimony-----

How does that compare with six figure sums being pumped into-----

So if Senator Mullen is taking-----

Can we deal with the matters raised on the Order of Business please?

-----the IFPA and the Abortion Rights Campaign?

I am just replying to the Order of Business.

Can we deal with the matters raised on the Order of Business?

The Leader should stop mouthing and come up with some evidence for the claims he is not able to substantiate.

I have not made any-----

It is a pathetic performance from the Leader.

I have not made any personal remarks to Senator Mullen.

Order.

Those remarks should be withdrawn.

Can I have-----

The Senator's position as Leader-----

All remarks must now come through the Chair. The Leader is responding.

If Senator Mullen wants to-----

He is not going to get away with it. He will be called out on it every time he comes up with false statements. It is a misuse of his position as Leader.

The Leader is responding. He should not invite further debate.

I have not given any false information to the House.

He should apologise to the pro-life campaign.

I was not-----

It has not given any information whatsoever to SIPO even though it is required.

Order.

Senator Mullen knows quite well-----

The Leader does not even know what he is talking about. He comes in here and starts mouthing. It is not acceptable.

The Leader is responding.

The Leader should apologise to the pro-life campaign.

We cannot have further debate at this stage.

Senator Mullen's language-----

I will raise this issue with you on the record tomorrow and I will put the Leader straight.

That will be tomorrow.

I am not personalising this at all. I am not mouthing at all. I am factually saying, and I will say it again for the benefit of Senator Mullen, that Members of the last Seanad and Dáil were brought to America-----

Senator Buttimer claimed there was money being pumped into it. He should withdraw that.

There was.

There was not. Senator Buttimer should withdraw it.

Senator Mullen-----

Senator Mullen knows I am right.

I will attend to this tomorrow and I hope Senator Buttimer will apologise to the pro-life campaign in due course.

Senator Mullen-----

I am not in any way personalising the matter.

The Leader has said it already. It has been said already.

No, I take-----

I do not want him repeating this.

Senator Buttimer has no right to bring into disrepute-----

I take umbrage.

On a point of order, Senator Norris.

On a point of order-----

A point of order.

As a member of the pro-life movement, which I am, I believe in life, I support life, I do not denigrate life so I am a member of the pro-life movement.

With respect, Senator, that is not a point of order.

I completely reject the vulgar nonsense that Senator Mullen has been spouting.

That is not a point of order.

What about the movement the Senator is a member of? He will need the money after all the successful libel actions he has brought.

I prefer if all Senators remain silent and the Leader will reply through the Chair.

I will conclude on my remark to Senator Mullen. Where I agree with Senator Mullen-----

The Leader has said it already.

-----and where we can find commonality is that we must ensure that accurate information is provided to women at all times. I hope we can work to do that.