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Seanad
‹ Order of Business

Presidential voting rights

Summary

The exchange continued with repeated interruptions and defensiveness over who had supported the franchise proposal and who had been present for debates. The Chair repeatedly urged order while the Leader concluded by calling for reflection and future discussion.

There were no lectures.

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There were no lectures.

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It is the Leader who is good at giving lectures.

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As the Leader was not here for most of the debate, how would he know?

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I actually spoke in it.

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The Leader did, but there was-----

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Please respect the Chair.

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I make the point that there is a cosy consensus within Sinn Féin that Members must be in the Chamber for every debate. The Senator is only in the House for less than 12 months and still learning. He will not spend all day every day in the Chamber.

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The Leader should not talk down to me. We are here on the same basis as him.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Please allow the Leader to conclude. Time is up.

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What I was saying was-----

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I will certainly not be lectured.

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What I am saying is you will not spend all day every day in the Chamber.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Through the Chair, please.

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The Senator should not expect Members to spend all day every day in the Chamber.

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The Leader should reflect the debate accurately.

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The Leader should not be defensive.

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That is not being defensive.

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The Leader should reflect the debate accurately. That is all I am saying. I do not think it is too much to ask that-----

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Please allow the Leader to conclude.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

May we speak one at a time? I have great difficulty in hearing everything.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Please, Senator.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

Let us re-establish the Seanad-----

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Will the Senator, please, allow the Leader to conclude, or else I will suspend the sitting for 15 minutes which will delay the taking of the Social Welfare Bill. Senators are being most unruly today, which is unfair on the Chair. I also ask the Leader to, please, respect the Chair.

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I do, as the Cathaoirleach knows.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

I ask the Leader to, please, respect the Chair so as not to have a cross-party argy bargy about what happened last week.

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Absolutely. I want to protect the Members who make contributions in the Chamber. To be fair, we actually had a very good debate on the matter last week. I ask Members to reflect on what the Minister, Deputy Simon Coveney, said and then come to me when we might have another debate on it.

I discussed the matter raised by Senator Gerard P. Craughwell, but we should have a debate on it.

Senator Diarmuid Wilson spoke about rural Ireland. He is right - there is a need to have a debate on the need for growth in rural Ireland. I know that the Minister, Deputy Simon Coveney, might take the approach of introducing a second national spacial strategy, with the Minister, Deputy Heather Humphreys. It is an issue we need to consider. The Senator is right in what he said about the boundaries for local elections in that they positively discriminate against those living in rural Ireland, as do the constituency boundaries for Dáil elections. They should be looked at because it should be about representation of the people.

I am happy to accept the amendments proposed to the Order of Business.

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