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David Norris remarks and withdrawal

Summary

Senator Norris briefly interjected, then after returning paid tribute to Peter Mathews before attacking Dublin city manager Owen Keegan. The Chair required him to withdraw the remark, which he did, and the matter was closed.

David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

First, I express my-----

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

The Senator is welcome back, but that does not give him any extra latitude.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

The Cathaoirleach is very kind.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

I appreciated the Cathaoirleach's good wishes while I was in hospital.

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The Senator is very entertaining.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

I express my sadness at the death of former Deputy Peter Mathews who was a very decent man. He was a traditional old-style Roman Catholic but not in any narrow sense. He was always very friendly to me. I liked him and found him very helpful. When I spoke some years ago at the beginning of the financial crisis, he contacted me and said I was the only one who was speaking out and that I was the only one who was right in the debate. However, he noticed that there were no figures and asked why. I said I had been absolutely hopeless at arithmetic at school and had not improved. He supplied me with the figures and as a result in the Seanad I contradicted the then Minister for Finance, the late Brian Lenihan. His figures were completely wrong and the ones supplied to me by the late Peter Mathews in support of my arguments were correct to the last decimal point, which was an astonishing feat. He was a most brilliant economist, as well as a thoroughly decent man.

I also wish to raise, if it has not been raised already, the question of the Dublin Fire Brigade ambulance service. It is quite shocking that the head of Dublin City Council, Owen Keeg---- I am not allowed to mention his name - has decided to take steps to replace the fire brigade ambulance service with a general fire brigade warning. He wants to take the service to Tallaght, with a backup centre in Ballyshannon. The Dublin Fire Brigade ambulance service answers all 999 calls in Dublin, the rest of Leinster, as well as counties Cavan and Monaghan. It deals, for example, with people who need an epinephrine injection. We all remember the girl who tragically died because she could not get an epinephrine injection. The service deals with people who have had a heart attack or suffer a cardiac arrest, road traffic accidents and so on. If it is transferred to a national agency, there will definitely be delays. SIPTU members in Dublin Fire Brigade have been balloted and 97% have voted for strike action if this goes through. It is a really serious matter. It involves the Dublin city manager interfering again in a most stupid way. Seanad Éireann should have an opportunity to discuss the matter. I, therefore, ask the Leader to contact the responsible Minister on my behalf.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

It may be a little unfair to mention - it is obvious, even though the Senator did not mention his name-----

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

-----the Dublin city manager because he is not here to defend himself.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

I know; I stopped half way through his name.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

The Senator still hit the point.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

He is an ass anyway.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

It is most inappropriate to say that. The Senator should withdraw that remark. I ask him to withdraw the last remark he made about-----

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

No, I think he is.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

That is unfair. The matter will be dealt with.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

It is at your direction.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

For the decorum of the House, I ask the Senator to withdraw the remark.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

Yes, I will because it is you.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

I thank the Senator.

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