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Seanad
‹ Order of Business

Seanad Chamber and committee meeting

Summary

Senator Norris protested that the Seanad Chamber should not be used for committee meetings and said this diminished the House. The Chair repeatedly ruled the matter out of order and referred him to the Committee on Procedure and Privileges, after which he noted he had made his views known.

David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

I understand the Seanad is not meeting this Thursday because the Brexit committee will be meeting in the Chamber. While I understand the committee might want a nice photogenic setting for its meeting, it is not the function of the Seanad to provide a backdrop to committees. When I was a member of the Committee on Procedure and Privileges, I regularly opposed every attempt to divert the use of the Seanad Chamber from its appropriate use as a place for the Seanad to-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I must interrupt the Senator. That was a decision of the Committee on Procedure and Privileges.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

Yes. I am just commenting on the decision, as I think I am entitled to do since I am no longer a member of the Committee on Procedure and Privileges. As an individual Member of the Seanad, I wish to register my feeling about the matter.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I will allow the Senator a little-----

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

This is a further demeaning of the Seanad. The late Government-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I am not sure this is relevant to the Order of Business.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

The late Government wanted to extinguish the Seanad and drive it from this Chamber, leaving the Chamber open just for committee meetings and super-committee meetings. I understand absolutely that the Brexit committee is very important, but there are plenty of other places where it could meet. This is a further demeaning of-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator-----

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

-----Seanad Éireann. The committee should not be allowed to supplant the Seanad.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I must interrupt the Senator again. This is not a matter for the Leader on the Order of Business; it would have to be referred back to the Committee on Procedure and Privileges.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

I am asking the Leader to consider-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I ask the Senator to be respectful.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

-----the situation-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

The Leader cannot do so.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

-----because it is very dangerous-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

The matter will have to be referred back to the Committee on Procedure and Privileges.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

-----and to refer it back to the Committee on Procedure and Privileges in the light of the historical fact that I have consistently opposed such proposals.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I should not speak for the Committee on Procedure and Privileges. The overwhelming view of Members was there was so much concern among them all that all Senators wanted to be involved, even though it was a committee. We should not discuss the matter here, with respect.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

Thanks to the Leas-Chathaoirleach's graciousness, I have been able to put my views on the record anyway.

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