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GLEN closure and Saudi Arabia debate

Summary

Members discussed the closure of GLEN and its legacy, then moved to Michael McDowell's warning about extremism, Saudi Arabia, Trump, and the need for a debate on Ireland's place in a changing world.

I agree with Senator Norris: I am sorry to see the demise of GLEN. I am someone who took the first steps to manoeuvre Irish public opinion and my partners in government at the time towards, first of all, the idea of civil partnership.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

I thank the Senator for that.

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They were a very responsible group of people and were very constructive at all times.

I wish to echo a second remark made by Senator Norris, namely, the idea that people could be filled with such hatred towards other people that they would take out their children and take out themselves in the same moment. In this context, everyone is revolted by what happened in Manchester yesterday, and everyone should be, but Ireland should also take a look at what is happening in the world this week. In particular, I am deeply disturbed by the conference in Saudi Arabia at which the proposition was put forward that the Sunnis are all right and that evil lies in Iran to be confronted.

I do not remember Shia people bombing Coptic Christians in Egypt. I do not remember them blowing up wedding parties in Pakistan.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

Or 9/11.

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I do not remember them carrying out 9/11. I do not remember them blowing up innocent people right across the world. I do not see Shia people destroying young girls' lives in Nigeria. In that context, I resent bitterly the suggestion by President Trump that somehow all the evil is to be located north of the Arabian Gulf and that all goodness is now to be found south of it. Saudi Arabia is the cradle of Salafism. Saudi Arabia is the place from which this poison has spread.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

Hear, hear.

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I believe we need a debate in the Chamber about where Ireland as a member state of the European Union stands in this new world, where grotesque distortions of truth and what we might call alternative facts are elevated to international truth in rather alarming ceremonies held in conjunction with massive arms sales.

It is, as Robert Fisk has pointed out on a number of occasions and as I have hinted myself in some articles I have written, that we are getting ready for a war on Iran. The weapons are being put in place and the rhetoric is being deployed. It is a huge injustice, especially to a people whose regime is by no means perfect at all but whose people voted for moderation in recent days. It is one of the few countries, God bless us, in that neck of the woods where there are elections which mean anything.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

And we voted for Saudi Arabia to be on the human rights committee.

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