Senator Mac Lochlainn used the words "kind enough." Well Senator McDowell jumped on the horse. As I said yesterday, his very fine newsletter, which is being circulated to the Members in Dublin Bay South, speaks about what we can do regarding Seanad reform. I am very committed to bringing about Seanad reform. What Members with different viewpoints must recognise is that we live in a democracy and we are democratically elected - regardless of whether Members opposite like it or not. The question of whether we broaden the franchise from the NUI and Trinity College is a matter on which Senator Mullen and Senator McDowell might have different views. Senator Norris has a different view from that held by Senator McDowell but I am happy to have the debate on Seanad reform. I have not blocked Senator McDowell in any way, shape or form. As I said yesterday, the Taoiseach will be in contact with group leaders. He has committed to coming to the House to have a discussion on it and I very much welcome that. I will not be found wanting in that regard. I think Senator McDowell should recognise that this is not about one person's view or one person having an opinion; it is about the country having an opinion.

On a point of order, I am sorry to interrupt the Leader but I want to make it clear that I have no opposition to the broadening of the franchise. I may have appeared to the Leader to have winced but that was something else entirely.

He did wince.

Senator Mullen is a long time in this House; it is not a point of order.