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Seanad
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Justice Department crisis debate

Summary

Máire Devine proposed that the Taoiseach come to the Seanad to answer for the handling of the Justice Department controversy and the Sergeant McCabe-related emails. The Chair clarified she was moving an amendment to the Order of Business.

It is a bit early for Christmas for me. I ask the Seanad to amend the Order of Business to ask the Taoiseach to come in to give an account, to quote his own words, of this dysfunctional Government's handling of one the biggest critical and moral crises to face a Government in many years.

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It is not a dysfunctional Government.

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I listened to the Minister for Justice and Equality, Deputy Flanagan, speaking in the Dáil last night. If one had closed one's eyes, one would think one was listening to the discredited former Tánaiste, Deputy Fitzgerald, who was forced by the court of public opinion to resign yesterday.

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That is right. It was the court of public opinion.

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How did the Minister for Justice and Equality respond when told by Mr. Noel Waters, a senior civil servant in his Department, about the existence of an email with Sergeant McCabe's name in it? He told the Dáil last night that he did not ask Mr. Noel Waters about the email regarding Sergeant McCabe, nor did he ask who sent the email.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

Mr. Noel Waters rang him to say that he was resigning. That was the main point.

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The Minister, Deputy Flanagan, treated the email as if it did not exist.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

We look forward to hearing Senator Norris in due course.

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For seven days, the Minister ignored the existence of the email. He did not even tell the Taoiseach about its existence. Is that credible? Neither I nor the public think so. I was alarmed to hear the Minister, Deputy Flanagan, tell the Dáil last night that two trawls for documents by the Department of Justice and Equality failed to turn up-----

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

Fianna Fáil stole Sinn Féin's head and now it is looking for another.

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The trawls failed to turn up the relevant emails that led to the resignation of Deputy Fitzgerald. The saga continues. We then discovered from the Minister, Deputy Flanagan, that, amazingly, none of the emails of senior officials around Deputy Fitzgerald, including her, had been checked. Why were the emails of these key people not checked? These are pertinent questions which I believe the Taoiseach can and should be here to answer. This Chamber is not second class. It should be treated as equal to the Dáil.

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It is not. The Senator should know the Constitution.

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Its Members require respect. I call on the Leader to invite the Taoiseach to this House to answer those questions.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I want to clarify what the Senator is seeking.

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An amendment to the Order of Business.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

The Senator has proposed an amendment. I call Senator Humphreys.

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