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Response on Garda overtime

Summary

The Leader responded to repeated calls for the Justice Minister to attend, saying he would facilitate it that evening and explaining the Garda overtime budget and supplementary Estimate. The exchange was punctuated by interruptions, but he accepted the amendment in light of the seriousness of the policing issue.

I thank the 17 Members who contributed on the Order of Business. It definitely feels like a pantomime season here this morning.

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The Leader is being hard on himself.

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Níor chuala mé. Abair arís é.

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I said the Leader is being hard on himself.

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I have not started yet.

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He is saying, "Oh, no, I am not."

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Please. I am glad the Senators are all in such good humour.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

I thought Sinn Féin was a non-interrupting party.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Please, Senator Norris.

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Senators Ardagh, Humphreys, Leyden, Boyhan, Ó Clochartaigh and Ó Ríordáin raised the issue of Garda overtime. I would be very happy to have the Minister come to the House this evening. There is no need to be worried about that. Senator Humphreys should note that I always endeavour to work with all Members of the House to facilitate requests for debate.

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At what time is he coming in?

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Order, please. The Leader without interruption.

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I am in the process of giving my reply.

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The Leader said he is coming to the House.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

How could he possibly know the time?

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator Leyden is out of order. He knows that. The Leader without interruption.

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The Senator is being very rude.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator Leyden should desist.

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It ill-behoves Senator Leyden to act in such a manner. This was a matter that was put to the House by Senator Humphreys, who approached me before this debate to express that he was going to do this. This is not about political opportunism on his part, in fairness. Senator Leyden might do me and the House the courtesy of waiting for the reply, if he does not mind.

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I jumped the gun.

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The Senator does it every day. It ill-behoves him. The Minister will come to the House and I will be happy to work with the group leaders at our group meeting at 12.45 p.m. to arrange for a time. It is a very urgent matter. The comment this morning by the Assistant Commissioner was disturbing. I am not sure the way he made it was appropriate. It has implications for citizens, business owners and members of An Garda Síochána, as Senators Ardagh and Humphreys rightly said.

To answer Senator Leyden, if he listens to me, the Minister is to go before the committee tomorrow with a supplementary budget of €44.2 million under the Garda Vote. Senator Boyhan has the Order Paper for the committee tomorrow, which he did not reference. The €44.2 million is in addition to the 800 extra gardaí who have been recruited and the 500 civilians who will be recruited as the civilianisation of An Garda Síochána continues. Since we reopened Templemore after Senator Leyden's party closed it in when in government-----

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It is a fact. The Senator does not like the facts. Some 1,400 gardaí were recruited since Templemore was re-opened. To put matters in context, the overtime budget for the Garda for 2017 is €130 million. The budget for 2018 provides €100 million for overtime. The management and utilisation of the resources of the force are a matter for the Garda but, in saying that, it was disturbing and disappointing to hear the remarks that were made this morning. In that context and considering the gravity of the situation, I am accepting the amendment by Senator Humphreys to invite the Minister to the House this evening. I will be happy to do so. I accede to such requests by Members of the House on many occasions.

Senators Ó Ríordáin and Ardagh raised the very tragic loss of life of two citizens of our State on the streets of Dublin this week. These two deaths occurred in very difficult and different circumstances. We should not judge the reasons the people passed away. It is important to put in context that all of us in this House, irrespective of our political ideologies or views, are committed to having and want to have the issues of homelessness and rough sleeping dealt with and addressed. That is why Rebuilding Ireland has taken an agency-based, multi-annual funding approach. It is why the Department, with the Dublin regional authorities, announced, through the Minister for Housing, Planning and Local Government, Deputy Eoghan Murphy, an additional 200 emergency beds. Of these, 50 will be permanent. Equally, it is important to recognise that the Government is taking action through the cold weather initiative, not only in Dublin but also on the streets of Cork, Galway and elsewhere. It is important to recognise that work is being done. The deaths are tragic and we should not use them as a political football. On behalf of the House, we extend our sympathies to all the families who have lost loved ones this week. We are working on and committed to having the issue addressed.

Senator Billy Lawless raised the very important matter of the Supreme Court decision. It is important to note that the Government has established the interagency task force to examine the implications of the judgment and to put in place an appropriate response and solution by the Government. As the House knows, earlier this month the Government opted to accept the recommendation to opt into the recast EU reception conditions directive. In saying that, it is important that we have a debate in the House, as Senators Lawless and Ó Clochartaigh rightly said.

Both Senators Lawless and Ó Clochartaigh have raised the issue of the undocumented Irish in America in this House. It is important that there be a consistent approach. I fully subscribe to that. I will be happy to have a debate on it as soon as possible in the House.

I want to group the Sinn Féin contributions on the Taoiseach's appearance in the House. If people choose to listen to me, I shall reiterate a point I made on a number of occasions.

I do not operate on the basis of misinformation. I requested that the Taoiseach come to the House, and he has agreed. It is a matter of finding a suitable date and I have no issue in doing that. I have never hidden behind a veil of anybody not coming to the House, and the proof of that can be seen today with the Minister, Deputy Humphreys.

I will not accept the amendment to the Order of Business from the Sinn Féin Party, not because there is an element of fear or hiding but because it is about finding a suitable date for the Taoiseach to come to the House. When I have arranged that, the Taoiseach will be here before us, as the former Taoiseach was before he retired from office. I will work to have that done before the Christmas recess, if possible, or early in the new year. We have been in contact with the Office of the Taoiseach about a range of issues, not just the events of this week.

As regards the single transferable Sinn Féin speech, the Sinn Féin Senators can come back with another amendment or reply tomorrow. I understand the need to make political charges and engage in opportunism. That is what Senators try to do sometimes, and I accept that.

As a former Deputy and current Senator, I am very much aware of the importance of and need for Seanad Éireann. As Senator Marie-Louise O'Donnell said last week, we should not ape the Dáil. Constitutionally, we have a different set of requirements and duties, and it is important to recognise that. People should familiarise themselves with the Constitution. I have no issue bringing Members and Ministers into the House to discuss a range of issues.

If Members come in to make political charges, that is fine. We have lost a Tánaiste and Minister yesterday on the basis of pure political opportunism by Sinn Féin, which brought down an Executive in the North and will not go into government in the South. The directive for the budget in the North allocated money to increase pay for front-line health staff, but the money cannot be spent because there is no Minister to sign a directive. Sinn Féin comes to the House purporting to represent workers' rights when that is happening to workers in the North. That is the reality.

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That is not true.

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It is the reality.

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You are wrong on that.

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Of course I am wrong. They interrupt me when they do not get the answer they like.

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I will interrupt the Leader listening to-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Sorry, Senators-----

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The Senator accused me-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I am sorry. I cannot allow any interruptions at that stage. Allow the Leader to conclude.

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-----of interrupting, then when he did not get the answer-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Take that up again tomorrow.

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