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Housing supply and rent pressure zones

Summary

The Leader responded at length to Senator Gavan's housing criticisms, defending Rebuilding Ireland, housing output and the need for more supply. The exchange expanded into rent pressure zones, regional rent differences and accusations of ideological rigidity, with Senator Murnane O'Connor adding that the zones were not working.

Money was not put into it. That was the problem. We had an answer.

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The Leader should come to Roscommon to see decentralisation.

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Senator Gavan raised the issue of housing.

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Is the Leader for real?

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Allow the Leader to continue. The Leader should not allow himself to be baited.

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Senator Gavan raised the issue of housing. I was not laughing at the comment about the lady to whom he referred. It is disingenuous to say that I was.

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That is how it looked.

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The Senator knows well what he is doing. As the Cathaoirleach said, I am not going to be baited by Senator Gavan.

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It is no laughing matter.

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It is no laughing matter. The Senator is correct. That is why this Government is committed to Rebuilding Ireland. That is why we are building social housing in all parts of the country. As I said to Senator Humphreys yesterday, I want to see every working family in our country housed. It is not about a cheap slogan or getting a headline from comments in the House. It is about investment. The comment which the Minister of State, Deputy D'Arcy, made yesterday was made in the context of there being differentials in rent prices-----

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A fraction.

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-----in different parts----

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That is what he said.

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-----of Cork, Limerick and Dublin.

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He is out of touch.

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With respect, the Senator is out of touch. He knows quite well that this is the case and if he does not, he should come with me to visit Cork.

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Excuse me-----

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I will invite him to Cork.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Senator Gavan made his point clearly earlier.

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Different rents are being sought in different parts.

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They are building a road down to Cork for Senator Gavan.

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To be fair, that is the point the Minister of State was making. He was saying that different rents were being sought and charged.

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He used the term "a fraction".

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What we must do - and Senator Gavan must show his support for this - is increase supply and ensure that rent pressure zones do not drive people out of houses and that landlords are part of the process. Senator Gavan has an ideology that does not want-----

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I am a socialist. I do not believe in subsidising landlords.

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Yes, but the Senator does not want anybody-----

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

There should be no interaction across the floor.

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The Senator has a one-dimensional model, which is to build houses full stop. That is not happening anywhere in the world. Where it did happen, it failed.

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It did. That is the reality.

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The rent pressure zones are not working. The report published yesterday shows that rents are increasing and that the rent pressure zones are not working.

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The report does not have the facts for the full year.

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Let us have it when we come back. If it has to be changed, I have no problem with changing it.

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Does the Leader have alternative facts?

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No. As Senator Gavan knows quite well, I deal in real facts. The real facts are that more houses are being built than last year and more people are being accommodated. Yes, we have an issue. I accept that. I have always said it. However, the matter cannot be solved overnight. The party - it could be his party's next coalition partner - beside whose members Senator Gavan is seated wrecked the-----

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I would hate to split Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael up on St. Valentine's Day.

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-----construction industry.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

We will get back on track.

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