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‹ Order of Business

Vulture funds and Carlow house

Summary

Senator Murnane O'Connor raised a specific Carlow property case involving a house sold by Permanent TSB to a vulture fund, arguing such funds need regulation, taxation and transparency. The Chair repeatedly said the matter was not relevant to the Order of Business and would be dealt with later, but the Senator insisted on completing her account.

In the past week we have all been devastated at the news over the vulture funds and I know the Minister will be addressing it. I want to bring to the attention of the House a particular case I have been dealing with. It is crucial and I have had several of these. Vulture funds are investment companies that pick the bones of the living. The vulture fund companies need to be regulated just as banks are. They need the same standards and transparency, and most importantly they need to pay taxes on their huge profits. This is a massive issue for me.

These vulture fund companies need to allow local authorities and other Government agencies access to information on properties purchased through distressed loans acquisitions.

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We are having a debate on the matter today.

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I know that, but I want to bring it up because it is so important. I am aware of a property-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Does the Senator understand that there is provision to deal with this later on?

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I know that but I just want to bring it up now because it is about a house.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

This is the Order of Business.

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Under the Order of Business, I want to bring it up. I am aware of a property-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Does the Senator know she will be allowed to make a contribution later on?

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I know that. I am aware of a property in Carlow which was purchased as part of a portfolio of a high-profile Dublin property investor sold by the bank, Permanent TSB, to a vulture fund company. This property was wanted-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I hate to interrupt the Senator, but it is not really relevant to the Order of Business.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Perhaps it is for the Senator, but I am in the Chair, unfortunately, and I am advised it is not relevant.

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I am sorry, but for me it is. It is the Order of Business, we are allowed to bring up anything we want, and I insist on bringing this up now.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

The Order of Business is meant to be about the Order of Business as proposed by the Leader.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I have discretion and I have been advised. I do not want to have to interrupt the Senator-----

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It does mention that the Minister is coming in.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

-----when she can make a contribution later on this specific item.

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The problem is that I have another meeting. I am hoping to get back in. It is not that simple. I just want to finish this.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Do it quickly, please.

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This property was wanted by a Carlow resident who grew up in the property. When he finally tracked down the last owner he was told that Permanent TSB sold all the loans to a vulture fund company. He informed Permanent TSB of his interest in the property and asked for the contact number for this company. The simple reply was that it could not give out information. The result is a derelict house in Carlow which is now damaged beyond repair. The council has had to secure the house to prevent anti-social behaviour. The interested buyer is looking for the information but cannot get it. I believe this story is repeated elsewhere. This house could have been purchased. There seem to be no rules governing how these vulture fund companies do their business.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

We cannot have a debate on it now, unfortunately.

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They are allowed to trade without regulation and have no issues with lives they have destroyed.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Sorry-----

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We need to regulate them and tax them. Most of all-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

The Senator is very much over time.

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-----we need to get a published list of the properties acquired by them.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

The Senator is over time.

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This is a very serious issue.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

To the Senator, I accept it is.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

It will come up later on.

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