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Russian diplomat expulsion and adult education

Summary

Senator Craughwell objected to Ireland’s expulsion of a Russian diplomat and questioned whether there was anything worth spying on in the State, prompting interruptions and a call for order. He then turned to adult education and guidance services, praising their work while criticising the small budget compared with private employment companies.

Shortly before I came in here today, I watched Leader's Questions in the Dáil. In particular I watched the debate on the proposed expulsion of a member of the Russian diplomatic community. I am shocked, to say the least, that we have decided to expel a diplomat from the Russian Embassy. To my memory, we have never engaged in anything to do with incidents that have happened in other countries. There seems to be an anti-Russian fest running through the western world at the moment. The Taoiseach said he would make available a briefing to party leaders, but we have to realise there are people in the Seanad and in the Dáil who are not in parties and who would be equally entitled to a briefing as to why we found it necessary to seek the expulsion of a Russian diplomat from this country. This country is a small, open economy. Trading with Russia is part and parcel of the trading in which this country engages. We should be very careful about anything we do to snub a country, particularly a country with the purchasing power of Russia.

I would like to see what evidence there is to support the fact that Russians are engaged in espionage here. I would also like to see what evidence there is with respect to other embassies in this country and whether they are involved in any espionage.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

They are all at it.

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Indeed, I would like to see whether there is anything worth being involved in from an espionage point of view in this country.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

For shame, how could Senator Craughwell imagine there is not anything worth spying on?

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Please, Senator Norris.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

He should withdraw that remark.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Senator Norris, please.

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I was given a briefing on this matter similar to that given to party leaders. The other issue that I wish to talk about briefly is adult education and guidance services and the tremendous job those involved have done throughout the worst years of the recession. They have dealt with 52,000 people each year. I do not know whether we fully respect the work that is being done in adult guidance. There is a paltry budget of €6.55 million. They are pushing these sorts of numbers through adult education and guidance while the two new companies, Turas Nua and Seetec, have a budget of €54 million between them. From what I can gather, they have only managed to get 18% of those going through their system into full-time employment. We need to look at the way money is spent on further education and training. I know the Leader has an interest in this area. Perhaps, he might organise at his leisure a debate in the House on further education and training in particular. I attended a conference with a group called NETINVET in Europe. It was staggering to see the work being done in further education and training throughout Europe. Maybe we might get the Minister before the House and get an opportunity to review where we are going with further education and training in Ireland.

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