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‹ An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business

National children's hospital overrun

Summary

A long, heated exchange followed on the hospital's planning history, site choice, costs and accountability. Burke argued the wrong site and political decisions caused delay, while Clifford-Lee and others attacked the lack of oversight; the Chair repeatedly ordered Members to stop interrupting.

Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Please, Senators.

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I know that the Senators do not like to hear-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Does Senator Clifford-Lee want me to-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I will suspend the sitting-----

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The Senators do not like to hear the truth.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Please, be respectful of the Chair.

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We are being respectful, but-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I do not want anybody interrupting-----

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Members of the public are outraged by Fine Gael and its attempts to deflect attention-----

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The second issue-----

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People want to know what happened-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

The Senator has had her say. She should be silent and allow the speaker in possession to conclude.

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The second issue is that the planning permission refusal happened in February 2012.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Order, please. The Senator will have her turn.

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Planning permission was refused in February 2012. Planning permission for the new hospital was granted in April 2016. In that period, the plans were drawn up and the bill of quantities was sent to the builders to enable them to quote. However, the minute detail was not set out because it would have taken 12 months to facilitate this.

I wish to give Senators an idea of the scale of the hospital. There will be 6,151 rooms.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

The Senator is running out of time.

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The hospital will be the length of Grafton Street.

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There was no governance and no oversight. There is no accountability.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

We are not having any further contributions on this-----

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As I said, the hospital will be the length of Grafton Street.

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That has nothing to do with the planning permission.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

The Senator will have to submit a Commencement matter.

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He has to stop misleading the public-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Never mind what he is saying. I did not interrupt Senator Clifford-Lee and do not want her to interrupt Senator Colm Burke.

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People are outraged.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I do not want Senators to interrupt one another. I want respect for the Chair. There is a speaker in possession.

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We cannot listen to this.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

God almighty.

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The cost of building a hotel bedroom is €120,000.

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The Senator is way over time.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I will be the judge of that.

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I know that I am over time but I want to get the truth out.

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A new hospital being built in Ontario is costing €1.608 billion-----

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What projects will the Government be cutting out?

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Please. I ask Senator Colm Burke not to respond to the comments of others.

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The Senators should check the costings and stop trying to delay the project.

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We are not trying to delay it.

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Fianna Fáil wasted five years on the Mater Hospital site. It wasted five years on the wrong site.

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Fine Gael cannot be trusted with the public-----

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It was the wrong place and that Government took the wrong decision.

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Fine Gael does not know how to manage the public purse.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I call Senator Norris, but I do not want to hear anybody else while he is speaking.

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