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Seanad
‹ An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business

National children's hospital overrun

Summary

The Leader paid tribute to Countess Markievicz and then defended the Government's handling of the hospital overrun, saying the project must proceed and that the criticism had become hysterical and populist. He argued PwC had been commissioned to report, said the hospital history had been explained clearly, and stressed that the court route was the only legal challenge available.

I will. Nine Senators referred to the national children’s hospital. Before coming to that matter, I wish, first, on her birthday, to pay tribute to Countess Markievicz and thank her for her courageous leadership.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

She repented on her deathbed.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Order, please.

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Many others have repented as well, but, to be fair, they did not do what she did.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

That is a bloody good thing.

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In terms of the national children's hospital, we are all disappointed and find the overrun unacceptable. The point with which perhaps my learned colleague and friend does not agree is that we have entered into the realm of hysteria and populism.

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I do not refer to you at all.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

The Leader should speak through the Chair.

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Methinks Senator Marie-Louise O'Donnell protests too much.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I will not have interruptions from the Senator.

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I am not going to be accused like this, namely, by inference.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I am not going to have interruptions.

Do not do it on my watch, please.

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It is not going to happen.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

The Leader to continue, without interruption. I ask him to try not to invite interruptions from the other side of the House.

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Let us not enter into the realm of-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Please, one voice at a time.

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I am sorry, a Leas-Chathaoirligh.

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I have a good mind to say I accept the Order of Business and sit down-----

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

Do. Bravo.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

The Leader to continue, without interruption.

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-----but I want to make a few things quite clear. Irrespective of one's views on PwC, it has been asked to do a piece of work on which it will report back to the Government. The Senator might be cynical, throw her eyes to Heaven and do all that; that is fine, but the comments by some inside and outside this House lend themselves to scaremongering and hysteria. We had it in the House earlier in terms of projects in other parts of the country. Third, Senator Colm Burke gave a very good overview of where we were and how we got to the point of development of the project. I chaired the Joint Committee on Health and we were on the site on a number of occasions. When I hear members of the opposition, in particular Fianna Fáil, talking about the national children's hospital, I have to cast my mind back to when Bertie Ahern was the Taoiseach. He wanted to have it located in his constituency, but An Bord Pleanála overruled it. I say to Senator Wilson that the only place one can go after that is to the Supreme Court.

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Alternative plans can be submitted.

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That is a fact. The Senator is a public representative and, to be fair to him, a man of integrity.

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