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Nurses rally and strike settlement

Summary

Senators Devine, Clifford-Lee and others disputed attendance at the nurses’ rally while Devine defended the industrial action and argued the Cabinet should not decide the outcome. The Chair repeatedly intervened as the debate drifted into interruptions, Brexit references and procedural confusion.

Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Thank you for your brevity, Senator.

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I salute my colleagues, the nurses and midwives of Ireland, following their great successful rally on Saturday and the extraordinary support of the public through the streets of Dublin. It was almost like a festival or carnival everywhere they were celebrated.

I want to ask Senator Clifford-Lee and her colleagues where they were. Where were they to support the nurses? They all seemed to go into a huddle or they hid away, because they could not answer the question one way or another.

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I was not. I was on the picket line.

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At the rally there was no sign of anyone from Fianna Fáil whatsoever.

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I have to take one day a week to mind my children.

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There was not a sign or any presence of Fianna Fáil one way or the other at the rally.

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I want to know where they all were.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Please, Senator Devine, address the Chair.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

That is rubbish.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

With respect, I cannot have Senators talking over my head. I am the Cathaoirleach. Senator Devine, address your issues through me to the Leader and not to anyone else.

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On a point of order, Fianna Fáil was well represented. It is a fairly low blow for the Senator to point me out in particular for not being at it. I am on the picket regularly with the nurses.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Senator Clifford-Lee, that is not a point of order. Resume your seat, Senator. That is not a point of order.

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I think the 50,000 people and the public who were there on Saturday will want to know why. They were questioning where they were and why they were not there.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

I doubt it.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

You are being unhelpful now, Senator.

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The Senator should go and answer to those 50,000 who were asking that question.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Please, Senator Devine, do not address an issue to another Senator. Address the Chair and the Leader will respond, not someone else.

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Okay, I will do so. Gabh mo leithscéal.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

I am trying to be fair here. This is not helpful.

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This morning, the Minister for Health, Deputy Harris, said that he was going into the Cabinet to put before it the proposals by the Labour Court that saw the suspension of the industrial action, including this strike and the three days due. I put it to the Minister that it is not really up to the Cabinet to agree or disagree to this. It is up to the 50,000 members of the Psychiatric Nurses Association and the Irish Nurses and Midwives Organisation to agree or disagree. We await their deliberations, which are taking place now, and we will respect the results of those deliberations.

The motion of no confidence arises because of the fiasco or debacle, or whatever we want to call it, ongoing in health. Two Fianna Fáil Deputies, Deputies Cowen and Donnelly, said yesterday that they were misled and that no one could have confidence in the Minister for Health, Deputy Harris. However, today again - this is not lost on the public - those in Fianna Fáil are still sitting in their huddle. They should give us an apology because the polls are not right. It is not simply that the polls are not right.

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I am sorry: we are doing better in the polls than Sinn Féin.

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They reckon that because Brexit is coming they cannot upset the nation.

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That is the typical Sinn Féin modus operandi.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Please, Senator.

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The two-year period of Brexit is extended-----

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Senator Devine, please conclude.

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They want to cause chaos.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Please, Senator Devine, you are being unhelpful. I have admonished you before. If you want me to suspend the sitting for 15 minutes, the blame will be on you. Please conclude now, Senator Devine. You have had almost four minutes.

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The excuse we are getting is that Brexit is coming.

Brexit is probably going to be extended by two years. We wait then. Is this the excuse until the polls are in-----

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How does the Senator know that?

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How does the Senator know that?

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-----their proper order and the atmosphere is correct?

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Is the Senator texting Theresa May?

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Leader.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Matters affecting the other House should not be discussed here. If there are motions in this House, we deal with them. What happens in the other House stays there and is dealt with there.

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Would the Cathaoirleach ask Senator Devine to give us the lotto numbers tonight?

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There is no point.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Senator Buttimer is the Leader. He will have ample time to respond. I call Senator Grace O'Sullivan.

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