Is the Order of Business, as amended, agreed to?

No.

It is most unusual, in a vote like this, to defer an item to a later time in the evening. I have never known it done.

Well-----

I am sorry, I just want to finish this. When this proposal came from the bench, I remember wondering why the debate was to be after No. 2. I thought it must have been because something was going through without a vote. I am going to check the record to see what happened here.

On a point of order-----

Hold on a second.

The Order of Business-----

Please-----

Can we just clarify-----

It is a matter for me to clarify. Senator Norris has posed a question. My understanding is clearly that our very esteemed and learned Clerk believes that what was put is exactly what the Senator proposed.

Well, it is not.

It may not have been what the Senator intended, but the Clerk is quite clear on it. We cannot undo what is done.

I know.

Is the Order of Business, as amended, agreed to?

No. To be helpful, and to be fair to Senator Norris, while I do not want to aggravate the situation, it is still the case that the Minister is not available. What Senator Norris proposed was to be after No. 2. I am prepared to have the debate without the Minister tomorrow. I am also prepared to allow for debate on the motion subject to the availability of a Minister, if the House will agree to that.

Can we agree the Order of Business now?

I am quite prepared to be moderate on this issue. Will the Leader give me an undertaking that he will at least attempt to find a Minister for tomorrow?

I will talk to the Members and to Senator Norris and I will do my best, but I cannot give a guarantee now.

I understand that. In that case, I will accept the Leader's proposal.

I will do my best but I cannot guarantee anything. I have offered the Senator the option of having the debate without a Minister tomorrow.