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‹ An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business

Law Society and wills Bill

Summary

The Chair reminds Senator Leyden this is a Second Stage speech, but he continues criticising the Law Society’s stance on the Bill and praising supporters in the House. The Chair repeatedly rules him out of order for making charges and reopening a matter already decided.

This is a Second Stage speech.

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The efforts of the Law Society on this Bill over the past 14 years has been unacceptable. The Law Society is led by Ken Murphy, the director general, who is paid more than An Taoiseach and he protects solicitors who pay his wages.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

We cannot rehash last night and I do not want the Senator to name people who are not in the House.

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I am emphasising the point that he protects solicitors who pay his wages. They do not represent the public.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

The Senator is making charges.

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The grounds for objections are not there, as Senator Rónán Mullen said last night.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

The Senator is making charges and I cannot tolerate it.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

The Senator is out of order. He cannot make charges against the Law Society in this House.

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There is a solicitor in the House who supports the Bill and co-sponsors it. She is not controlled by any organisation but is a representative of the people.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

The matter was decided last night and we are not reopening it now on the Order of Business.

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Perhaps Senator Leyden should be put in the vaults.

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I met the Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection last night. We are the best of friends and we will meet again shortly to discuss the Bill.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I am glad to hear that but this is not a point of order.

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I thank members of the Fine Gael party in the House because most of them supported the Bill. They have to go along with their Whips.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

The Senator is a longstanding Member of the House.

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I am very grateful to the Leas-Chathaoirleach for the way he chaired the debate last night and to Senator Diarmuid Wilson for his skilled approach to getting it right.

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