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Seanad
‹ An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business

Sea-Fisheries dispute

Summary

A prolonged argument followed over whether the Minister had consulted fishing organisations over two years or only at the last minute. Senators across the House challenged the Leader’s claims, the Leader insisted the Minister had met the industry repeatedly, and the exchange became increasingly heated over rights, a sea border, and whether the Bill should proceed.

That is outrageous.

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What about the past two years?

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I listened to Senators on this issue.

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This has taken two years.

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The Government is seeking to restore the rights of our Northern neighbours, which our own fishermen have enjoyed and enjoy at the moment. It is right to pass the Bill today and Members opposite know that. Do we really want a hard border for our fishermen?

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Not a single thing has been done for two years and not a single fisherman was spoken to in two years.

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Like Mrs. May, the Government has sat on its hands for two years.

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Members opposite are saying to fishermen in County Down that they do not have the same rights as fishermen in Dundalk.

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That is not what we are saying.

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Not at all. There has been two years of nothing.

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That is what the Senator says.

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Ged Nash Senator Gerald Nash Labour Party

It is what I am saying, Leader.

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There is irony in the inconsistency here.

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Ged Nash Senator Gerald Nash Labour Party

Dundalk fishermen should have more rights than County Down fisherman to fish in Republic of Ireland waters.

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The Minister met with the industry and spoke last night on the subject.

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Last night? What about the past two years?

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On a point of order to correct something-----

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The Minister with responsibility for fisheries-----

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

I call Senator Mac Lochlainn, on a point of order.

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Can the Leader clarify if the Minister met the fishing representative organisations?

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I will explain.

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This is not a point of order.

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The Chair has given me the floor.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

I can just as soon withdraw it.

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Can the Leader clarify-----

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This is another Second Stage speech.

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The Leader interrupts me because he knows what I am going to ask him. Will he clarify whether the Minister met the fishing organisations in the past two years over their concerns about this legislation?

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

I am not sure that was a point of order.

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It was not a point of order.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

We have to move on.

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Let us have a meaningful vote.

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The Minister with responsibility for fisheries-----

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

There is obviously no meeting of minds on this issue so maybe the Leader can move on and we will vote on it.

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The Minister with responsibility for fisheries met the fishing organisations 40 times in that period.

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About this legislation?

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The Leader is avoiding giving an answer.

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Some of the Members on the opposite side want no hard border but want a sea border.

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The Leader is talking nonsense.

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They should reflect on themselves.

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The Leader is talking nonsense.

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The 29 March deadline is approaching. Rather than add to the chaos of Brexit, Members opposite should reflect on themselves and their behaviour around this Bill. The Minister is very willing to engage with the fishing industry, as he has done 40 times.

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Did he engage 40 times on this legislation?

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Given that I am in conciliatory mood and recognising that there is a game of politics being played by Members opposite-----

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