It is conversion therapy that we are looking for over in Westminster.

Maybe when it comes to Brexit we do need conversion therapy for the Brits at this point.

Hear, hear.

Getting from Brexit to conversion therapy in an even flow certainly shows a peculiar way of thinking.

I thank the Senator.

I missed Senator Warfield's contribution on conversion therapy yesterday, but I have no doubt that he would be poles apart from Senator Mullen in what he might say in response.

I live in the hope of mutual understanding.

We are all in favour of evidence-based policy. I will take it no further than that. I categorically disagree with conversion therapy and the type of policies propounded in America by the likes of Vice President Pence. In a way, I do not know what Senator Mullen is talking about.

That is all right. It is not the first time.

No, but Senator Mullen did go around the issue without actually stating what he meant.

I am just looking for an evidential basis for policy and legislation. That is all I am saying.

There is no scientific evidence that someone's sexuality can be changed. That is the evidential basis.

Let us agree then that evidence must be the driver for all our discussions in this and other areas.

We might leave that for another day, when we have the debate.

I am staying out of that because I did not hear the remarks yesterday. Personally, I fundamentally and entirely disagree with any notion that conversion therapy is a way forward-----

If the Senator is speaking on the basis of evidence, I will always agree with her.

-----in the case of homosexuality. I will leave it at that.

I ask the Senator to think about it.