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Councillors' pay and property tax

Summary

Senator Craughwell argued that local authority members have been promised better terms since 2014 and condemned property tax and related Government moves as cynical ahead of elections. The exchange became noisy with repeated interjections, but the core complaint remained councillors’ conditions and the politics of property tax.

On Sunday afternoon, while listening to the news, the plight of our local authority members came to the fore once again.

I make no apology for representing their needs in this House. After all, they are our electorate and it is only right and proper that we would represent them.

Since 2014, when I first mentioned the terms and conditions of employment for county councillors in this country, they have had promise after promise of improved conditions. They have an allowance, which is now regarded as income. They are paying tax and PRSI on an allowance, which baffles me to some degree. It took a High Court action to force the Government into changing the class of PRSI that applies to local authority representatives and incidentally, I am sorry to the heart that I did not push the same High Court case the whole way to cover Members of this House in order that we would not be paying class K PRSI, for it is absolutely criminal to be taking 4% of our income off us with no benefit whatsoever to accrue to anybody in this House. That is just wrong in every sense of the word.

We are finding ourselves that some 20% of our local authority members will not run for re-election. We are losing young, innovative and highly motivated people, purely because of the amount of work that is involved in the job and their inability to see themselves properly rewarded for the amount of time and effort they put into their jobs. It is absolutely disgraceful that we are coming into the next election and they do not have their terms and conditions properly set out so that they know what they are signing up for. We are seeing a lot of senior county councillors, people who have served this country for ten, 20 or 30 years, who are walking away as well. I know I am not alone in this House when I represent their views. I know every Member that is elected by members of local authorities feels the same way. It is just wrong.

On a second issue, I see that we are now deferring the local property tax for another year. This is the most cynical move I have ever seen.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

It should be got rid of altogether.

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It should be got rid of. I totally agree with the Senator but leaving that aside, deferring it for a year in order to get us over the European and local------

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That is cynical. That is where it got us.

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Forgive me. The Leader needs to say-----

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

It is wrong. It is rack-renting by the Government. That is all it is.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Allow Senator Craughwell to proceed.

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Property is-----

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

That is fat coming from Fine Gael.

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Do not have a side conversation. Senator Craughwell is speaking on it and the Leader has ample time to respond later.

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Cynical moves such as deferring property tax until we get over the European and local elections are disgraceful.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

Hear, hear.

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I understand that the Government is about to engage in some sort of a roadshow around the country on local authorities and the like and even though some are questioning its constitutionality, we have directly-elected mayors coming down the line. This is all pretty cynical stuff coming into a local election and is not fooling anybody.

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If the Leader wants to pray, this is not the place to do it-----

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

God is everywhere.

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-----but at the end of the day-----

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Senator Craughwell is endeavouring to conclude, if he is allowed.

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At the end of the day, the public deserve a little bit more recognition of their intelligence to figure out what is going on. Once again, I would ask-----

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I thought the Senator was speaking for the councillors, not the public.

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I know that Senator Paddy Burke would be supporting-----

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Denis O'Donovan An Cathaoirleach Fianna Fáil

Could the Senator hold off on that one please?

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Senator Paddy Burke will be on his feet in a few minutes to support me in what I say and fair play to him for that. At the end of the day-----

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The Senator has been defending them for years.

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-----we have a responsibility to those who we serve so let us try to do something before the local elections.

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