Mother and baby homes report
Senator Devine spoke on the latest mother and baby homes report and the ongoing hurt for relatives seeking answers. Senator Bacik also opposed the guillotine, condemned the Bill’s flaws, and proposed transport statements instead of taking the Bill, while also seeking a post-Easter debate on mother and baby homes.
The report on the mother and baby homes published today is the fifth interim report and we have watched each one, as have the relatives of the women in the mother and baby homes. They have stuck with this over the years and many of them are now elderly and frail. Some have sadly passed on without learning what happened to their children, their brothers, sisters and even their mothers. The uncovering of the shame that is and was Ireland continues. Every layer that we lift on the past brings more horrors for us to bear. We expect it now, I think, because we have got so used to it.
The bodies of almost 1,000 children aged between 10 minutes and 15 years were given, from the Dublin institutions alone, to medical schools. Questions arise about where their remains are buried, whether a burial ever took place and whether it was a proper burial. These children had one thing in common, they were poor people, often termed illegitimate and called anatomical subjects. They were given to medical schools throughout the country and it was common practice at the time in other countries. There are 900 burials that cannot be figured out in Bessborough. They do not know where these children and infants have gone, they are somewhere in the grounds and trying to establish where is a mighty task. Could the Minister for Children and Youth Affairs come in to update us on this distressing report and to confirm for the families the due date of the final report which she has said will be next February?
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Like others, I express my strong opposition at the use of the guillotine by the Government today on the Judicial Appointments Commission Bill. It is very disappointing to see this procedural device being used by a Government that swore it would not do so. It committed itself to new politics. Its members in Fine Gael have not only been unsupportive of the Bill, they have also expressed criticism of its provisions, many of which we have debated in the House. We have made the point that they are unconstitutional and will, if passed, lead to unwieldy and deeply flawed new processes for appointing judges. We are opposed to the imposition of the guillotine. I, therefore, propose an amendment to the Order of Business, that instead of taking the Judicial Appointments Commission Bill between 3 p.m. and 5 p.m., we have the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport in the House to resume the debate on transport as we ran out of time the previous day the matter was debated. I was one of the Members who did not get to contribute on that occasion.
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Given that we know that it is the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport-----
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-----who is driving the Judicial Appointments Commission Bill-----
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I think they are heckling in support.
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The Chair and the staff need to hear her proposal in order that they can understand it. There should be no interruptions.
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Thank you. My proposal is straightforward. Since, as we all know, the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport is driving the Judicial Appointments Commission Bill, I propose an amendment to the Order of Business that he come into the House between 3 p.m. and 5 p.m. to resume statements on transport to enable us all to make a contribution and him to respond to the Members who spoke on the previous occasion.
On a separate note, I ask the Leader to provide time after Easter for a debate on the report on mother and baby homes and the terrible revelations we have heard today. As the have revelations emerged on a day when we are celebrating the achievements of women in politics, with Speaker Nancy Pelosi in the Dáil Chamber, it is time for us to reflect on how shamefully and appallingly we treated women and children in the past through the awful structures of the mother and baby homes. We are only beginning to see the true extent of the horrors inflicted on women and babies in the homes.