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‹ An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business

Order of Business replies and amendments

Summary

A renewed back-and-forth followed on Garda funding, Templemore, vetting, and opposition criticism, with the Leader defending the budget and the Government’s record. The Leas-Chathaoirleach eventually cut off the exchanges, and both proposed amendments to the Order of Business were accepted.

Senator Buttimer was obviously in the fiction section of the library again.

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The fiction section of the library is the one that we see the-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

The Leader to respond without interruption.

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It is a bit like the "buy and sell"-style magazine that Fianna Fáil produces. "Here is our budget", it states-----

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The Leader cannot promise something and then not deliver on it.

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-----but will it pay for it? I remind Members opposite, many of whom were public representatives from 2007 to 2010, what happened then. I will leave things at that.

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On a point of information-----

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On a point of information-----

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What we need-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I will hear the point of information.

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There are no points of information in reply to the Order of Business.

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On a point of order, the Leader reminds me of the man in the race-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Is this a genuine point of order?

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It is very much so.

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Of course it is not genuine.

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It is very genuine.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I will decide that.

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David P.B. Norris Senator David Norris Independent

If we hear him out-----

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There are no points of order during the reply to the Order of Business.

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The Leader and this Government remind me of the man in the race-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

That is not a point of order.

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-----who is so far behind the rest of the field that he thinks he is leading.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

That is not a point of order.

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I did not hear it. Will Senator Gallagher repeat that please?

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He thinks he is in the lead.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I ask the Senators to resume their seats. I ask the Leader to continue without being provocative.

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In the immortal words of a former colleague and friend, Denis Cregan, who served in this House-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I served with him.

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-----it is a long game, played slow. Senator Gallagher should remember that.

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The Leader's colleagues mentioned waiting lists, but we have never had so many people on trolleys. I could also mention housing, homelessness-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

We are hearing the Leader now. We are not hearing-----

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I remind Senator Murnane O'Connor that the architect of the present dysfunctional health system-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Leader, please.

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-----is her party leader, the former Minister for Health, Deputy Micheál Martin. Until her party-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Through the Chair-----

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The Leader always brings that subject up-----

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Until Senator Murnane O'Connor's party-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

It would be more helpful for order, were the Leader to direct comments through the Chair, rather than to the Members opposite.

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If it was not for Fianna Fáil, the Leader would be speechless.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Order, please.

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Senator Murnane O'Connor's party leader founded the HSE and then ran out of office to leave Mary Harney embedded there for almost a decade.

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That is Fianna Fáil's legacy and the Senators cannot hide it.

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The Taoiseach ran out of the Department of Health.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

The Leader to conclude.

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I remind Senators Murnane O'Connor and Gallagher of the Garda Vote. There is an increase of €122 million to pay for pay, recruitment costs and the recruitment of 700 new gardaí. Fianna Fáil closed the college.

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The Government promised 800.

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There are new resources for a range of issues. I will be happy to have a debate on justice with the Members opposite any time they wish.

I admit to a lack of knowledge about Senator Murnane O'Connor's question about vetting. She either wanted vetting or she did not. I am not quite sure. We can never-----

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On a point of order-----

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Let me finish.

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We must always err on the side of caution regarding the protection of children and minors in the State. I will be happy to have a debate on vetting but if the Senator thinks it would be more expeditious to deal with it as a Commencement matter, she should do that.

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On a point of order-----

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Points of order should not be raised on the concluding remarks.

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The resources are not available and the Garda is put to the pin of its collar. People are not being vetted in enough time.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

The Senator can hold that for the debate.

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There are not enough resources. It all boils down to resources and that is where the Government is falling down.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Is the Senator listening?

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She never does.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Hold it for the debate. The Leader might conclude.

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Senators Marshall, Nash and Feighan raised the Lost Lives book. If we do nothing else as a result of today's Order of Business, we could reflect on the contributions of Members who spoke about the film based on the book. We can never go back to the dark days of the past. We have a hard-won peace. It is fragile and we can never take it for granted. We must always remember. As Senator Marshall eloquently said, nobody escapes the pain and nobody has a monopoly on pain, but we can never allow this to happen again. I endorse the view that the film should be essential viewing for all members of society. I commend the Senators on that.

In response to Senator Devine, the Committee Stage debate on Senator Freeman's Bill will take place tomorrow. Some of the amendments from the Government seek to ensure that children are safeguarded. I hope we can work together to make the Bill better so we can achieve its overarching aim, which is to protect and safeguard children. Some of the points the Senator made today relate to challenges many parents face every day in how they deal with and have interactions with their children on the use of the Internet, social media and particular websites. The points she made are important. I was unable to attend the briefing earlier, but a member of my staff was there. We can never be complacent about this important issue. The debate will be held in the House tomorrow.

Senator Gallagher raised the spreading of slurry. The Minister of State, Deputy Doyle, said in the Dáil today that the matter would be kept under constant review. The points made by the Senator are valid. On the beef exceptional aid measure, while I welcome the €100 million, I do not have the answer as to why or whether it is necessarily the way he says it is, but let us have that debate with the Minister, Deputy Creed, or the Minister of State, Deputy Doyle.

I welcome Senator Mark Daly's niece and her friend to the House. I believe his niece's name is Clionadh, but I did not get her friend's name. They are both welcome and I wish them every success in their visit. I hope his niece is as successful as her uncle and that she travels as far as he does.

Mar fhocal scoir, I am happy to accept the amendments to the Order of Business proposed by Senators Murnane O'Connor and Nash.

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Paul Coghlan An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator Murnane O'Connor has proposed an amendment to the Order of Business "That No. 12 be taken before No. 1." The Leader indicated that he is prepared to accept the amendment. Is the amendment agreed to? Agreed.

Senator Nash has proposed an amendment to the Order of Business "That No. 13 be taken before No. 1." The Leader, again, indicated that he is prepared to accept the amendment. Is the amendment agreed to? Agreed.

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