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Seanad
‹ An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business

Scrutiny of stimulus and fast-tracked Bills

Summary

The Chair reminded Senators about decorum as Sherlock finished her concerns about the July stimulus, arts funding, and the lack of detail before next week's Bills. Senator Ó Donnghaile and Senator Higgins added concerns that too many substantial Bills were being rushed through all Stages, reducing legislative scrutiny.

Mark Daly An Cathaoirleach

I am not stopping the Senator. For the decorum of the House, it is very difficult for Senators to speak when other Senators are interacting with each other. If Senators need to speak to each other, I ask them to step outside. Senator Sherlock will get extra time.

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That is grand. We need to see detail on certain matters in advance of the aforementioned Bills coming to the House next week, with regard to those in the arts sector in particular. They are now facing a dual uncertainty, due to the pandemic unemployment payment and the freezing of rents and the eviction ban, as a disproportionate share of people in the arts sector are renting and are not paying mortgages. I ask for that detail on the €10 million performance fund and for certainty on how it will be distributed in the sector. It would be great if it went to organisations and their employees, but there is a very real difficulty for freelancers.

The real issue with yesterday's announcement is that the firepower of the State's resources is being directed at businesses in the hope that it will create jobs and that they would remain viable, but all the usual rules of thumb with regard to the incentives to business, elasticity in putting money in and ensuring that businesses will react accordingly are gone out the door. We simply do not know what the next few months are going to bring for the Irish economy. It is regrettable that we are dependent on businesses and the trickle-down effect to workers. We need certainty for those who are out of jobs, in particular for those depending on the pandemic unemployment payment.

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Aontaím leis an méid atá ráite ag an Seanadóir Sherlock. I agree with pretty much everything Senator Sherlock said when expressing her concerns about some of the specifics announced, or rather not announced, in the July stimulus package.

I am concerned about the way we are doing and are expected to do our business in this House over the next while. While none of us is shying away from the important work facing us over the next few weeks, a number of substantial Bills are coming before us and they are being taken at all Stages. That has been the case for the last number of weeks, for some reasons that are understandable and justifiable. However, we need to reflect on the manner in which legislation is proceeding through the House. It is not good practice for all Stages to be taken in one day. Sometimes all Stages of one or two Bills are being taken in one day. That is unsettling for legitimate parliamentary reasons, but also on the basis of the very legitimate points expressed by Senator Sherlock.

If it is a matter of us having to sit a bit longer we should do so, given the Government formation talks went on for so long and the pandemic restrictions prevented us from coming to this place and kept us at home. That is not to say Members were not working, we were all involved in work in our own communities and representing people. If it means that we can better scrutinise and do our job to improve legislation from the Government or the other House we need to look at that. I appreciate that this is not on the Leader. It is something for the Committee on Procedure and Privileges to reflect on and is something I will take up next week but I ask Members from both sides of this Chamber to be cognisant of that reality.

I welcome the announcement from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade this week that it has granted over £60,000 funding from the reconciliation fund to the CAIN website. For anyone who does not know, CAIN is the conflict archive on the Internet, based in Ulster University. It has been in existence since about 1997 and it is lauded internationally for its comprehensive record of conflict-related incidents. It is held up as an educational, academic and indeed civic asset and resource. As a student of politics, both at A level and in university, it was something I leaned on very heavily. It is cited as a source at the end of many a paper or essay. People were deeply worried that funding had come to an end for the archive and that it may have had to be mothballed. This intervention from the Government and the Department is very welcome because it is such an asset, such a resource. While it is only a temporary stopgap, I hope the universities and others will engage and appreciate just how important this website is and hopefully that funding can continue.

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Lockdown has left us with a legacy of domestic violence. Early in lockdown, I spoke extensively about this issue and warned of the dangers, as did many of the organisations who deal with it on a daily basis. It became a powder keg for already difficult situations. In hidden homes, people were experiencing violence and felt they had nowhere to go. The Garda followed up on all previous incidents of domestic violence to ensure that women and men were getting help. However, we now have a legacy that we must deal with.

The programme for Government is the first such programme to mention sexual violence and domestic violence. We really need to look at it immediately because it is not just a matter of how we deal with the actual incidents. Courts were sitting throughout lockdown and barring and protection orders were being given. We have to look at the causes, however. One of the really powerful things within the programme for Government is that we look at prevention of domestic violence, not just dealing with its consequences. I ask the Leader to expedite this in order that we can see some early movement. We are talking a lot about the economic consequences but there are also social consequences that need immediate action. Yesterday we listened to the Irish medical officers speaking about 35 incidents of domestic violence occurring before people actually identified to authorities that they were suffering. As such it not just about how we deal with it through the court system, it is the prevention that we really need to look at.

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I echo the points made about how we do business. It is a concern that by the end of next week we will probably have had more Bills go through all Stages than went through the entire last Seanad by means of the "all Stages" mechanism.

That is a real concern because the job we are all elected to do is legislative scrutiny. The very real and thoughtful concerns that Senator Sherlock expressed on social welfare payments and the insight that everyone on all sides of the House may have about different Bills are not being given an opportunity to be properly engaged with, to be properly considered by Ministers and to be an aid to them in improving legislation. We need to look at that and make a very clear statement that that is not how business is going to continue. Certainly, when we return in September we cannot be in a situation where there is not an appropriate opportunity for scrutiny between Committee and Report Stages of legislation. In the past, this is very often where things have actually happened because an amendment brought in good faith on Committee Stage may be engaged with by a Department and then by Report Stage become a Government amendment. That is a healthy conversation and we are missing the opportunity for that at the moment. I urge that we look at how we plan to move forward with the legislative process and of course all of those other matters being addressed in the Dáil where Members are having debates on the July stimulus package, for example. In our very first session in this Chamber there were calls for a debate on the package prior to its announcement. We did not have such a debate. Now, we should at least have some opportunity next week to reflect on it. There are very good measures in that package. Some measures relating to public services and the arts need to be strengthened. That input from us can help to inform the October strategy. As such it is important that we have the Seanad doing its work.

In that same spirit of valuing the Seanad and caring about what it does, I am very happy to support the taking of No. 5 before No. 1 today, which relates to the introduction of the Seanad Reform Bill 2020. Many of us, across all sides of the House, entered the previous Seanad very keen to move forward on this issue. I am looking at Senator O'Sullivan and thinking of Senators Warfield, McDowell and others. We put a great many hours into thinking about how we could move forward with Seanad reform. We wanted to reflect the mandate given by the public in 1979 for the expansion of the university franchise and in 2013 when the public, many of whom had no vote in Seanad elections, and who as non-graduates may never have had a vote, voted to retain the Seanad and reform it. I am glad that new Members are also interested in these issues and I hope that we make this Seanad the place where we constructively find ways to move forward.

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