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‹ An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business

Points of order on speaking time

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The Chair repeatedly pressed the Senator to treat this as Order of Business, not a debate, while she insisted she was seeking a debate and complained about interruption and lost time. She continued her attack on misinformation policy and called for the Minister to come before the committee is established.

Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

Is the Senator calling for a debate?

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I will be if-----

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

This is the Order of Business. It is not a Second Stage speech.

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I am calling, if the Cathaoirleach will allow me to proceed-----

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

I will.

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Any attempt to target misinformation and disinformation is likely to favour establishment voices at the expense of alternative ones, whether they be on the right or the left. In the Anglosphere, the terms "misinformation" and "disinformation" are used inconsistently across a variety of contexts but they are generally not applied to establishment media. Let us look at an example. RTÉ said there were 50,000 attendees at last week's demonstration. Does this photo look like 50,000 people? RTÉ previously said that a similar sized protest had hundreds of attendees. Will the fact checkers check this?

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

I am sorry Senator-----

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Of course not. That is part of the problem.

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

I hate to interrupt the Senator. This is the Order of Business and it is not-----

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I am well aware. I will be-----

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

I ask the Senator to respect the Chair for second. This is not a Second Stage speech. It is not a debate on a Bill.

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I am asking for a debate.

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

Thank you.

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In all fairness-----

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

I am being fair.

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Actually, I do not believe you are.

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

That is okay. I am but-----

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I do not think the Cathaoirleach is treating me equally to other Members.

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

I would be happy to talk to the Senator again about that. This is not a Bill. This is the Order of Business, where Members request a debate or for a Minister to come to the House. That is all I am saying.

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

That is in the interests of all. I am fair to all Members.

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Okay. I certainly hope the time the Cathaoirleach has taken away from me will be given back to finish my speech.

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

I will adjudicate that as Chair. I will chair the proceedings.

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RTÉ's big personalities, many of whom are paid six-figure salaries, frequently allow politicians to present inaccurate narratives and avoid difficult questions. Will this be considered misinformation or disinformation? Will political parties be targeted for putting out false information about their achievements or their opponents? I would advise you to think very carefully about the precedent you establish. At the moment, our libel laws are being abused by politicians to silence journalists. Will the committee empower tech companies to decide what misinformation and-----

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator Keogan without interruption please. The Senator is inviting commentary and interruption from Members by her comments.

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Deliberately.

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

This is the Order of Business-----

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This is the Order of Business and at the end of my speech I will be calling for a debate with the Minister.

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

With respect, the Senator is here now two years. This is the Order of Business. It is not, as I said, Second Stage, Committee Stage or Report Stage.

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It is not. That is correct. I will be looking for the Minister to come in if I am allowed to finish my speech.

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

I ask the Senator to conclude then.

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Thank you. Will the committee empower tech companies to decide what is misinformation and disinformation? They have an interest in suppressing information about their own corruption and malpractice. Targeting the far right and commentators online while at the same time failing to target the problems in establishment media and political parties will only erode-----

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

I ask the Senator to conclude now. I have added on time for her.

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The real question for the Government and the media should be how we can rebuild trust. If you spend all your time trying to avoid criticism no one will trust you and your efforts will be in vain. I call on the Deputy Leader to allow us to have the Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media in here before she establishes the committee to give us the guidelines she is hoping to set out.

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