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Triple lock and child safety debate

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Senator Gavan sought a debate on the triple lock, which the Leader said she opposed and described as outdated, while also agreeing to request a debate on the broader issues raised, including child safety and the death of Patrick.

Senator Joe O'Reilly spoke very passionately about Tras Honan. I think he served with her, as did many other Senators.

Senator Gavan asked for a debate on the triple lock, and he might raise that tomorrow. My views are different from his, and there are no surprises there. The triple lock is an outdated policy. My own view is that because it requires a UN resolution and the five permanent members of the Security Council can veto a UN resolution - they are the UK, the US, France, Russia and China - I do not think they should have a veto over our foreign policy; that is my position on it. There is an attempt, at times, to link that to our military neutrality position. Changing the triple lock does not change the military neutrality position the country holds but it gives us greater flexibility and agility to respond. I was reading a piece by Declan Power in a weekend newspaper. We have been asked to respond to missions to evacuate citizens out of conflict zones, and we have not been able to send more than 12 troops without a UN resolution. It is not workable in the geopolitical situation we find ourselves in today. We can request a debate on that, and I will try to get the Tánaiste in on that but the Senator must bear in mind that the Tánaiste has directed his Department to draft legislation. When that comes into the House, we will of course have a full debate and Senators can make their views known. With regard to changing the policy, it is at the very early stages and we do not yet have legislation but it will be coming through the House.

I also want to concur with Senator Gavan's remarks regarding Emily Hand. It is fantastic to see her release. I hope that she makes a full recovery from her traumatic experience. I can only imagine what her father, Tom Hand and her family went through. It was absolute torture to see what was happening. It was incredible news that she was released. At some points none of us thought that day was going to happen, so it is really great. It was a glimmer of hope in what is a horrible situation, and I concur with the Senator's calls for a permanent ceasefire. The more time that we get, the better, and I hope it stays as it is.

Senator Sherlock also spoke about the riots in Dublin city centre. I have dealt with that and, as I said, we will come back to it.

Senator Flynn spoke very passionately about suicide within the Traveller community. The Senator is right. I will request a debate on that, and she is right that she should not be the only person in the House debating that issue. It is not just on her shoulders to advocate for mental health supports for members of the Travelling community.

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I thank her for checking all of us on that because it is important to be reminded that is not just her issue, but an issue for all of us. The statistics and numbers speak for themselves. I again extend our sympathies to the family of Patrick, the young boy who lost his life at 12 years of age. I can only imagine how traumatic it is for his family to be dealing with that. That age is far too young for someone to lose his life, and so many others as well. We will request a debate with the Minister but, again it will probably be in the new term. I look forward to many Members participating in that debate.

Senator Ahearn welcomed the payments coming through this week for the cost of living measures, such as the carer’s support grant, the qualified child increase and the living alone allowance. These are very important payments at a crucial time of year. That will be a big help to many families across the board.

Senator Keogan took a particular view on immigration. Again, that will come into the debate tomorrow, when there will be an opportunity. I think the Senator is right that this is a topic that is being discussed among ordinary, middle-ground people, and we are going to have to allow politicians to discuss it openly and honestly. We should not be shying away from those issues. It is putting pressure on the country but, overall, as a society, I think people want to do the right thing and they want to help. However, that does not mean we cannot have conversations about what people are talking about on the streets. That is very important.

Senator Paul Daly asked for particular assistance with getting information. I too thought it was strange that that information was broadcast at that particular time. There are only a handful of hospitals that person could have been in and it could have prompted rioters to go in that direction. Perhaps it just was not considered at the time, in the heat of what was happening. However, the Senator is right to point out that it was probably too detailed at that particular time to give out such information because it would not be difficult to find out where that person was. It is an important point to raise on the floor of the House.

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