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‹ An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business

Sharon Keogan order and point of order

Summary

Senator Keogan repeatedly tried to intervene on a point of order after the Chair warned her that she was continuing debate rather than raising procedure. The Chair insisted she resume her seat and defended the need for caution, while Senator Dooley urged an apology and withdrawal for identifying the family; the row continued until the Chair finally moved to the next speaker.

On a point of order.

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

No.

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It is no disrespect to the speaker whatsoever.

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

I appreciate that.

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On a point of order.

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

I am going to deal with the first point of order first.

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

I will chair the proceedings, if that is okay.

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

I am getting tired now of people trying to tell me how to do my job up here. I accepted the Senator's point of order. I make the point generally to Members in the House, as I have done before and did earlier on the Order of Business, that Members are entitled to make points and make contributions. This is a political Chamber. I appeal to Members to exercise great care in what they say, in how they say it and I have made the point here before and I am going to say it again. I have been the victim, as the Chair, on social media for some of the comments from the Chair when I am trying to uphold the rules of the House. Senator Clonan is right that great care should be taken, especially by Members, regarding people or persons who may be potentially vulnerable or identifiable who are not here to defend themselves in some cases. I appeal to all Members, irrespective of what you say or what your belief is, to be aware that how you say something is very important. I make that point again. I am not having a row with anybody. I am not having a discussion on anything. I am asking Members to take due care in what they say and how they say it.

Senator Keogan has a point of order.

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I thank the Cathaoirleach. I appreciate the comments my good colleague has made about the details I have disclosed here. I had a lengthy discussion with the concerned group, who were protesting since October on this-----

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator Keogan-----

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This is a point of order-----

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

That is not a point of order. That is continuing debate.

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The point of order is-----

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

I am sorry.

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I am sorry, the point of order-----

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

I am sorry, Senator-----

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----is in relation----

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator, please. Gabh mo leithscéal.

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Can I make----

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

That is not a point of order. Are you looking for guidance?

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

That is not a point of order. It is not a point of order.

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If the Chair would allow me to finish-----

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

I heard the Senator. She made her contribution. The point she made-----

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Then the Chair should----

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator, will you resume your seat, please?

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Apologise and withdraw.

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Apologise and withdraw what?

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For identifying-----

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator Dooley, thank you. Senator Keogan, will you resume your seat, please?

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I have informed the concerned group-----

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

I am sorry, but will you resume your seat, please?

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-----that it must embrace the immigrants that have entered its community----

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

Will you show respect for the Chair, please?

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-----and that that is the responsible thing to do as a community.

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

I am sorry, Senator. Will you please-----

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The group has stopped the protest----

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

-----resume your seat?

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-----at that facility.

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Jerry Buttimer An Cathaoirleach Fine Gael

That was not a point of order. You are not showing respect for the Chair or the House. I have been fair to all Members of the House. I do not like the prevailing attitude that the Chair is something Members can bypass to make contributions. I am asking the Senator to resume her seat. That was not a point of order.

I call Senator Lombard.

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