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Seanad
‹ An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business

Accommodation payment and housing

Summary

Senator Andrews proposed an amendment on winding down the accommodation recognition payment scheme, then the exchange broadened into a lengthy row with Senator Fitzpatrick over housing delivery, Glass Bottle, affordable housing and homelessness. The Leas-Chathaoirleach repeatedly intervened on interruptions and speaking time, and the item ended with Andrews confirming the amendment details and a final summer good wish.

I want to move an amendment to No. 1 on the Order Paper, proposing an orderly winding down of the accommodation recognition payment scheme in a way that is fair and efficient.

I note today is the last day of Dáil and Seanad sittings before the summer recess. I thank the Leader, as Senator McDowell said, for his kindness and work, the Leas-Chathaoirleach for always being so helpful and supportive, and of course all the staff without whom we could not do our work. I acknowledge the work that the staff across the Houses put in. Of course, I wish all the Members well. I hope everybody enjoys the recess. I think everybody will do that.

It is also important to recognise the amount of work we all have ahead of us when we come back in September considering the scale of the problems facing this country. Government will say, "Look at the positives", but there are a huge amount of challenges. You need not look any further than the housing crisis. Of course, the Government will point to an increased number of housing developments. However, those housing developments are for the very well-off.

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That is just not true.

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You just have to look down at the Glass Bottle site. Ordinary people cannot afford those homes.

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You and I both know that they are not the only ones being built.

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It would take the salary of three Senators to be able to afford-----

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If Sinn Féin did not object to as much housing, we could build more of it.

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Maria Byrne An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator Andrews without interruption.

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It would take the salary of three Senators to be able to afford a one-bedroom or two-bedroom home on the Glass Bottle site. They are clearly not for ordinary working people.

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Stop objecting to the housing-----

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There are 3,500 homes. Nobody in Sinn Féin objected to the Glass Bottle site.

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The Senator's leader has.

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We supported-----

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You have objected to enough housing in Dublin.

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-----the strategic development zone, SDZ.

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You have objected to enough housing in Dublin. Your leader has made a career out of it.

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We supported the development of housing on the Glass Bottle site. We worked hard to ensure to get more social housing. Unfortunately, the Government would not do that. Now it seems that the so-called "affordable housing" on the Glass Bottle site will be unaffordable.

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It is such fake news.

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You also have to look at-----

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You know that your party has made a career out of objecting to housing in Dublin.

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We have supported the Glass Bottle site.

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Look at O'Devaney Gardens, the first affordable house site delivered in more than 20 years.

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Maria Byrne An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Please.

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We have 18,000-----

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Your own leader objected to it.

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Eighteen thousand people are homeless.

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Your leader has objected.

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Five thousand children are homeless. The Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael Government is responsible-----

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-----for the 18,000 people homeless and the 5,000-----

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It is on Sinn Féin.

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We are not in government. We cannot make the decisions that are required.

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Yes, but you are weaponising the planning process to block housing delivery.

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We would not rely on the market.

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You are weaponising the planning process.

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We would not rely on private developers to develop the housing.

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Maria Byrne An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senators.

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There are 5,000 children homeless and that is on Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael.

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You can say whatever you want-----

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Maria Byrne An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Go raibh maith agat.

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Sorry, a Leas-Chathaoirligh?

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Maria Byrne An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Your time is up, Senator.

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In fairness, I did not get much of my time. I should be given a little more leeway given the constant interruptions.

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Maria Byrne An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I will give you another 30 seconds.

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Maria Byrne An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Can I confirm with Senator Andrews as well that when he moved the amendment, it is amendment No. 1 that he was talking about?

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Amendment No. 1, yes.

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Maria Byrne An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

It is not an amendment to the Order of Business.

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Maria Byrne An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

It is amendment No. 1 on item 1.

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Maria Byrne An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Can I have a seconder for it?

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I second the amendment.

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Maria Byrne An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Thank you.

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The Government can point to housing and claim that there are huge successes. There is only success for the wealthy, the well-off, the developers and the landlords. They are all delighted with Government policy. When you look at the 18,000 people on the homeless list, the 5,000 children who are homeless, whether the Government likes it or not, it is Government's responsibility.

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We take responsibility for delivering-----

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Sorry, Chair, can you-----

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Maria Byrne An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator Fitzpatrick.

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Even a few seconds without interruption would be nice.

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Maria Byrne An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

You have only five seconds left.

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You are well over 30 seconds at this point.

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Yes, but I have been interrupted through the 30 seconds.

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You are well over.

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I have been interrupted through the 30 seconds again.

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We have heard the speech a couple of times.

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Maria Byrne An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator Andrews, I have to bring in so many more. Could you just wrap up, please?

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I know, but if I was not interrupted all the time.

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Maria Byrne An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator Andrews, you have got well over the time now at this stage.

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I did not get over the time because I was interrupted throughout.

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Maria Byrne An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

I gave you an extra 35 seconds.

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In which I was interrupted for most of it.

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Maria Byrne An Leas-Chathaoirleach Fine Gael

Senator Andrews, please.

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All I am saying is, "Good luck to everyone in the summer."

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