Order of Business
- Order of Business 18 speeches
The Taoiseach proposed the day’s business and time limits, including expedited consideration of the Financial Emergency Measures Bill. Opposition Deputies objected to the guillotine and rushed legislation, while the Chair managed repeated interruptions.
Enda Kenny, Seán Barrett, Deputies, Micheál Martin, Brendan Howlin
- Technical Group speaking rights 50 speeches
Catherine Murphy sought discretion to make a statement on behalf of the Technical Group, arguing that denying it gagged a significant part of the Opposition. The Ceann Comhairle said Standing Orders prevented this and directed her to seek a change through the Procedure and Privileges Committee; after she refused to withdraw, he ordered her removal and moved her suspension, which other Deputies opposed.
Catherine Murphy, Seán Barrett, Mattie McGrath, Finian McGrath, Enda Kenny
It is proposed to take No. 15, statements on the European Council in Brussels, pursuant to Standing Order 102A(2)(b); and No. 2, Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2013 - Second Stage (resumed) and Subsequent Stages.
It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that: the Dáil shall sit later than 9 p.m. and adjourn not later than 10 p.m.; the proceedings on No. 15 shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 85 minutes and the following arrangements shall apply: the statements shall be made by the Taoiseach and by the main spokespersons for Fianna Fáil, Sinn Féin and the Technical Group, who shall be called upon in that order and who may share their time, and which statements shall not exceed 15 minutes in each case, a Minister or Minister of State shall take questions for a period not exceeding 20 minutes and a Minister or Minister of State shall be called upon to make a statement in reply which shall not exceed five minutes; the resumed Second Stage and Subsequent Stages of No. 2 shall be taken today and the following arrangements shall apply: the proceedings on the resumed Second Stage shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 1.30 p.m., and ohe proceedings on the Committee and Remaining Stages shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 10 p.m. by one question which shall be put from the Chair and which shall include only those amendments set down or accepted by the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform; and (4) in the event a division is in progress at the time fixed for taking Private Members’ business, which shall be No. 107, motion re confidence in the Minister for Justice and Equality (resumed), Standing Order 121(3) shall not apply and Private Members’ business shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion after 90 minutes.
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There are four proposals to be put to the House. Is the proposal that the Dáil shall sit later than 9 p.m. and adjourn not later than 10 p.m. agreed? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with No. 15 agreed? Agreed. Is the proposal for dealing with No. 2 agreed?
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A pattern seems to be emerging whereby the Government seems to be of a disposition to ram through the House as quickly as possible any legislation which may have a hint of controversy about it, particularly with regard to financial matters, and in essence guillotine the Bill. This pattern was well demonstrated with regard to the family home tax Bill prior to and after Christmas when two iterations of it were rammed through the House and guillotined.
The same happened with the Social Welfare Bill which cut child benefit and the respite care grant. We did not even get a chance to put forward amendments on those items, given the manner in which it was guillotined in the House. There has been a successive range of issues for which - if they are at all controversial, particularly in terms of their economic impact on people - there is no room for debate, tabling amendments or putting forward alternative propositions. It is a suppression and stifling of debate.
While unions are still balloting and some unions have not even balloted, the House is being asked to rush through the Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill. Pensioners' organisations have not even been consulted.
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They have not been consulted. Pensioners' organisations around the country are contacting Deputies to say that their pensions are being cut without consultation.
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Nobody represented them at Haddington Road or Beggar's Bush.
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The Oireachtas is being forced to guillotine and ram through legislation, but there is no necessity for doing this. There is no necessity for these timelines this week at all. It is a "get the bad news over quickly" mentality. That is what is going on here, without question. They want to get the bad news over as quickly as they possibly can so there will be less hassle for the backbenchers. It is not right or correct. We will oppose this measure.
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The Labour Deputies are shameless.
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When you have finished shouting at each other, would you mind allowing Deputy Adams to speak?
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I also want to oppose proposal No. 3. We saw from our discussions during Leaders' Questions, and this has come up many times, that there is a backlog of progressive legislation. Yet this draconian legislation is to be rushed through with the guillotine being employed. It is shameful that a Labour Minister is bringing in new powers to cut the pay of public sector workers or to increase their working hours, without further consultation. At the very least we deserve to have a debate and a discussion on all of this. It is a mark of this Government. We were promised a new democratic, transparent and fair way of doing business. However, there is no evidence of it in terms of how the Government is dealing with this Bill.
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On behalf of the Technical Group, I ask you to exercise discretion to allow us to raise this matter.
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Please resume your seat. You wrote to me about this issue. The Standing Orders do not allow for a Member from the Technical Group to make a statement.
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It is because the Standing Orders, which are approved by the House, do not allow for it.
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Therefore, I suggest - I will be writing to the Deputy - that the matter be dealt with at the Committee on Procedure and Privileges.
I call the Taoiseach.
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I am sorry, a Cheann Comhairle, but I cannot accept that.
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There is adequate discretion available to the Ceann Comhairle.
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The Ceann Comhairle can ask permission of the Minister of State, Deputy Kehoe.
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I have asked the Taoiseach about it.
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Discretion is allowed so as not to gag the Technical Group.
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The Deputy should put forward an amendment to Standing Orders at the Committee on Procedure and Privileges. That is all she has to do.
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I have tried to get it changed.
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I do not want to ask the Deputy to leave the House but if she persists in ignoring the Chair I will have to do so. She should please resume her seat.
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One third of the Opposition should not be gagged like this.
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You never brought this matter up before the Committee on Procedure and Privileges, where it should be brought.
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I have brought it up repeatedly.
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I put it in writing and it was blocked repeatedly.
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I have tried to get it changed.
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I brought it up repeatedly. I put it in writing but it was blocked at any location I raised it.
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I know the Deputy is angling to get herself thrown out, but would she please respect the Chair?
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It is up to you to give us the discretion.
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I do not have the discretion. Would you put down a motion for a change in Standing Orders?
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Of course you have the discretion.
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No, I will not resume my seat.
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Then I will ask the Deputy to leave the House. She has totally ignored the Chair, so she should please leave the House.
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It is absolutely wrong to be blocked.
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I will not accept that Deputies are being gagged in this way.
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Deputy Murphy should not be treated like this.
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Deputy Murphy is a reasonable, moderate Deputy and has not caused any difficulty here.
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It is par for the course. This is a blatant power grab by the Government. The Minister of State, Deputy Kehoe, can change the regulations, so he should do it.