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Technical Group speaking rights

Summary

Catherine Murphy sought discretion to make a statement on behalf of the Technical Group, arguing that denying it gagged a significant part of the Opposition. The Ceann Comhairle said Standing Orders prevented this and directed her to seek a change through the Procedure and Privileges Committee; after she refused to withdraw, he ordered her removal and moved her suspension, which other Deputies opposed.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I am sorry, Deputy.

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On behalf of the Technical Group, I ask you to exercise discretion to allow us to raise this matter.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Please resume your seat. You wrote to me about this issue. The Standing Orders do not allow for a Member from the Technical Group to make a statement.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

It is because the Standing Orders, which are approved by the House, do not allow for it.

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Change the Standing Orders.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Therefore, I suggest - I will be writing to the Deputy - that the matter be dealt with at the Committee on Procedure and Privileges.

I call the Taoiseach.

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I am sorry, a Cheann Comhairle, but I cannot accept that.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Well you will have to accept it whether you like it or not.

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There is adequate discretion available to the Ceann Comhairle.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Would you please resume your seat?

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The Ceann Comhairle can ask permission of the Minister of State, Deputy Kehoe.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I am not in a position to allow this. Would the Taoiseach please reply?

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I have asked the Taoiseach about it.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Would you please respect the Chair?

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Discretion is allowed so as not to gag the Technical Group.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

The Deputy should put forward an amendment to Standing Orders at the Committee on Procedure and Privileges. That is all she has to do.

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I have tried to get it changed.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I do not want to ask the Deputy to leave the House but if she persists in ignoring the Chair I will have to do so. She should please resume her seat.

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One third of the Opposition should not be gagged like this.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

You never brought this matter up before the Committee on Procedure and Privileges, where it should be brought.

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I have brought it up repeatedly.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Thank you. I call the Taoiseach.

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I put it in writing and it was blocked repeatedly.

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It has been ignored.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Please proceed, Taoiseach.

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I have tried to get it changed.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

It ill behoves-----

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Would you resume your seat?

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I brought it up repeatedly. I put it in writing but it was blocked at any location I raised it.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I know the Deputy is angling to get herself thrown out, but would she please respect the Chair?

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It is up to you to give us the discretion.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I do not have the discretion.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

I do not have the discretion. Would you put down a motion for a change in Standing Orders?

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Of course you have the discretion.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Would you resume your seat and do not be making a show of the House?

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No, I will not resume my seat.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Then I will ask the Deputy to leave the House. She has totally ignored the Chair, so she should please leave the House.

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It is absolutely wrong to be blocked.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Would you please leave the House?

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I will not accept that Deputies are being gagged in this way.

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Deputy Murphy should not be treated like this.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

You just mind your business. I am asking Deputy Murphy to leave the House.

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Deputy Murphy is a reasonable, moderate Deputy and has not caused any difficulty here.

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It is par for the course. This is a blatant power grab by the Government. The Minister of State, Deputy Kehoe, can change the regulations, so he should do it.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

As the Deputy is ignoring my request, I wish to name Deputy Catherine Murphy and I move that she be suspended from the service of the House. Is that agreed?

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Nobody should support that.

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