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Dáil
‹ Order of Business

Memo disclosure and water charges debate

Summary

Micheál Martin opposes the proposed business and seeks time to debate the alleged disclosure of a Cabinet memo and the Government’s water-charge plans. Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin also requests statements before the recess; the Taoiseach agrees to facilitate a debate once the Government has made its final decision and defends its projected average charge.

It is not agreed. I want to oppose the Order of Business.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Certainly.

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I am opposing it in light of what has transpired in the last 24 hours. The contents of an important memo have essentially been circulated to the media in precise detail. I note that the figure of €537 million used by the Taoiseach is the exact figure cited in this morning's Irish Independent. Given that we are going into a week's recess tomorrow, I suggest that the Government should make time available today for a discussion on the contents of the memo in question. There is no doubt that its contents have been deliberately circulated to the media in precise detail. I know that Labour Party sources are on RTE right now describing the proposal with regard to the level of water charges as "half-baked".

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

We cannot have a long discussion on this.

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We raised this in the Dáil yesterday. We have been raising it in the Dáil since last February.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

The Deputy should speak to the Order of Business proposal.

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We have spoken time and time again about the importance of clarity and transparency and the need for a debate on these issues. All along the way, the Taoiseach said that things would become clearer in a couple of weeks' time. He used the word "shortly" yesterday. He told us nothing about what was to take place at the Cabinet table this morning. He did not mention what the Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government had in the locker and intended to reveal. I ask the Government to provide time for a debate today. If it is not prepared to publish the memo that has essentially been circulated, at least we should be furnished with a copy of it. Everybody in the media world seems to have a copy of it. If the Dáil is to have any relevance to topical issues that are of huge concern to the public, the Taoiseach should facilitate a genuine debate and provide for the circulation to the Members of this House, who are meant to represent the people, of the material that has been made available to the media.

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I am less concerned with what others may have to say on this. I am anxious to know when the Government will circulate the full information. Will it facilitate statements on the issue of water charges in this House before the recess? Can that be accommodated tomorrow? Will the Taoiseach give a commitment to that effect?

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

The Deputy should confine his remarks to the Order of Business proposal.

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If not, will he give a commitment to provide for such a debate at the earliest opportunity when the Dáil resumes following the Easter recess? There should be no further delay in relation to this matter being addressed in this House.

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Enda Kenny The Taoiseach Fine Gael

The Government will be quite happy to facilitate a debate when it has made its final decision on all of these matters.

I will be happy at that stage to point out the differences between the Government's approach, which brings about an average metered charge, on the basis of figures supplied by the CSO and so on, of €240 per annum, as against Fianna Fáil's position that it will be €400 and that the charge should be introduced without any reference to fairness, equity or affordability.

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Seán Barrett An Ceann Comhairle Fine Gael

Is the proposal agreed to?

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